This one Has Got to be a Winner!

I'm patting myself on the back right now...
This one is meant to be viewed at about 8-11 fps...so size accordingly.
Enjoy.


Oh, and a challenge: an atom with it's electrons rotating around it...one of you AVS nuts ought to be able to do that...if it's been done already, post it here will ya?

Shad~

Re: This one Has Got to be a Winner!

Oh, and a challenge: an atom with it's electrons rotating around it...one of you AVS nuts ought to be able to do that...if it's been done already, post it here will ya?

Shad~ [/B]

Hey, we all know that this classical picture of rotating electrons isn't correct. What about a visualization showing the s-, p-, d-orbitals?!

The electron could move around according to the probability given by the orbital. Loud music (v>0.99) could stimulate an excitation to highr energy levels. When the electron falls down to a lower level a photon should be emitted.

Hey, with many atoms we could build a laser pulsed by the music.

That's what I call a challenge!!!

Diesto

Not bad. Simple, and it looks decent. Still waiting for something that's all you though.

Originally posted by Jaheckelsafar
Not bad. Simple, and it looks decent. Still waiting for something that's all you though.

I'd love to do. Unfortunately I'm not that experienced. Still trying to improve my leaves. They got a texture now by varying the green-level. Looks better now.

CU in Goa

"Not bad. Simple, and it looks decent."

Wahoo!!😁

I'll take that.
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Even if the atom would be incorrect, it would look cool as the classical atom...with the electrons doing something to the beat...

What leaves?

atoms and electrons? i'll make that later if i can be bothered. it can be done and has been done and isn't really tricky.

Perhaps you two could join forces? say the one makes the electrons and the neutrons, the other the protons and the background...
It's a nice one to study on..

The start of an atom?

my beginnings...

things that need help(!):

1. sometimes only one of the superscopes shows up when I load the avs. Don't know why...but if I change a variable in the init to 1, then back to 0, it shows up...why??
2. the orbits of the electrons need a bulge at the point where the circle is being drawn to represent the actual electron.(possibly something that reacts to the beat?)
3. should the orbits be more static?

Perhaps there's an entirely better method...make some changes to this one, or make your own...but let's see it either way!

follow-up to my last...

perhaps all three superscopes are showing up, but stacked in exactly the same location??

its because they all start in the same position and are copies of each other. changing the init string effectively restarts the ssc.

sounds pretty much like what I just said...
so, got a good one yet? send it up!

i'll make one after i finish tackling my current annoyance (which is trying to make a decent 3d morphing scope with a nice variety of shapes and an acceptable framerate and reasonably high point count)

You said it has been done before...do you have that one? could you send it up?

I lost it ages ago... I made one but it was basically like yours except it used dots instead of lines and all of the rings were one superscope. I'll make a fresh 3D one in the morning, using spheres with electrons that change shells. I just finished my huge morphing scope... if you care about that it is attached.

Right now I'm off to bed. Its 03:23 over here. 🙂

Hey man, that's pretty nice. The ends of the scope don't meet in the taurus configuration though.

Change the starting position of the scopes and you've got a decent beginning there chriandnick. Give it an interesting movement and it cout look pretty sweet.

Well here is my atom... its a helium atom and it will go into the minipack that I'm working on at the moment. It doesn't get amazing framerates - 16.8 @ 320x240 for me and my 1GHz box, but I think that it looks pretty cool and is fairly reactive.

nice, but classical so far.

back to quantum mechanics: the attached pic shows the first six orbitals (projection) for an H-atom. I'm looking for the formula (probability density).

If the electron falls back from a higher level to a lower level a photon will be emitted. The color (wavelenght) depends on the energy difference between the two levels.

Diesto

PS:

Correct me if I am wrong but I dont think an atom can be animated actualy the whole movement whithin an atom hasnt even been calculated for anything except H.

I don't think AVS is up to the task of creating an proper replica of a modern atom. Classical is probably the best you can hope for.

This is Quantum Mechanics ...
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... and therefore a little bit boring.

The ground state is the 1s-orbital. If the music gets loud (|v|>0.35) (or by random) the electron is excited to a 2p-orbital. After a random time (per frame: rand(100)<1) the electron falls down to the ground state. A photon is emitted (okay, just a simple line).

Next steps:

- more orbitals
- many moving atoms
- stimulated emission
- photon color according to energy difference

Diesto

The thing is that AVS isn't really a simulation environment... its meant to look really cool. I think that the classical atom has far more potential as a visually pleasing preset. Just my opinion.

The other thing is how to represent an electron (or any particle) accurately since it is (apparently) a particle and a wave (a contradiction no doubt resulting from masses of assumptions and tiny errors... in maths we would accept this as definate proof that something is wrong but physicists are above logic it would seem) so how would you do it? make a particle which looks like a wave shape, which moves along a wavy path or make a particle which simply behaves like a wave? So how can we represent an atom correctly if we can't represent its constiuents correctly?

Ok people...I was talking about the 'classical' atom...I think it's sometimes been shown as a symbol for radiation? ...nucleus, and a few electrons in orbit...
jheriko-whoa...overboard I'd say.
diesto-um...underboard?

so...nucleus, orbital lines for the electrons, and the electrons moving along those lines. the beat having some effect on it all...

ps~ever read 'Galapagos'?

ah-ha...
but with the electrons showing...

except that's a really crappy idea because you can't represent it in 3D very well.

why not?
just have the orbits moving on the z also right?

the problem is it'll look really ugly as a 3D animation (it being the 'classic' atom).

elaborate...

This is Quantum Mechanics!!!!
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Five moving Hydrogen atoms.

The ground state is the 1s-orbital.
Higher orbitals: 2s 2p 3s 3p 3d (projections to x-y-plane).

Rnl (=Rn*Fl) and Yml should be correct except for the normalization.

The state changes with loud music (v>0.4) or by chance 1:1000.

If the new energy level is lower than the previous one, a photon is emitted (okay, just a simple line).

3 => 1 violet
3 => 2 red
2 => 1 green

If you want to see more details of the orbitals, increase n for one SuperScope. Unfortunately it will be less often exicted (dunno why). So decrease the value 0.4 in per frame: ex=bor(above(abs(v),0.4).

(c) Diesto

now you've gone overboard too...

should be:
a few complex superscopes...but
~a simple look
~entertaining!
~not realistic...

Cool, but a little slow.