r.i.p.

Same thing really, this is the epicentre of it all. Maybe deviantart was but there's precisely dick going on over there in the way of community now.

There's still presets being made and fun to be had, but there's the undeniable feeling that it's on its last legs. We need a better, more efficient, (possibly standalone) successor with similar or ideally more versatility. But unfortunately I am not the man for the job or I'd be all over it.

If only it was easier...

If only it was easier...

If only it was easier...

to post on a forum without repeating yourself?

Woops. Internet trouble. Now where were we? That's right, the forums are dead except for about 5 or 6 people keeping it going.

well, i think its just that with AVS, most people can create _something_ themselves. Anything else there are many historic packs out there to download. And the barrier for entry in writing good presets is too high for most.

How you could change avs to fix those issues, I do not know.

I think there could be another avs plugin that is more simple and is less dependent on the avser and more on the program. For example there should be a pan option in trans even though you can do it in a convo filter or in dynamic shift.

I think the main problem of avs is that it depends on winamp. Avs as a player-independend plugin would be great.
If it was programmed so that it ran with any mediaplayer more people would use it. Now only winamp-users can use avs.
Winamp has been one of the (maybe the) most used mediaplayer - but now there are much more other player.
foobar2000 for example. I for music only prefer the windows media player 11.


another thing:
is it possible to make an APE that can get the spectroscop of the music more accurate. I heard that data is given in 500 or so values. That's not very much.
With a more detailed scale it was (at least theoreticly) possible to programm a very precise music-analyser. One that find one loud tone and look for tones that have the same frequency 2,4,8,16... times higher. (you could have a value that gives you the "brilliance" of a tone (a razor-sharp tone could then have another effect than a very soft one).

Thats right. (except about WMP11). But... Winamp might go out of business (not likely but possible). People will just get it for the avs plugin. Cheapass's. About the APE... fiddle with the coding or get someone else to do it.

AHHHHHHHHHHH! I'm confused!!!

uh, its open source, compile it against any other player you feel like.

the problem is: I don't know anything about programming.

Originally posted by HuRriC4nE
the problem is: I don't know anything about programming.

Then how on earth can your comment of "it needs to be available for more players" ever be valid?

Someone put the work in to add it to xbmc, so its feasible to port to other players.

sorry if no one likes what i say, but in my opinion the player (WINAMP)/ the depending of avs on winamp is the problem. I am not capable to solve it. I don't have the problem either. I don't have a problem using 2 players on my computer. Some people out there have this problem.
I mean those people that don't make presets themself, but are just watching them. If they have to use another player as the one they use normally they will sooner or later loose their interest. Winamp is not such a great player ...

I make presets for fun. If other people see them is not so important - there aren't so muc already.
If you say avs is dead - maybe for you. I never saw it be alive, because I started making presets just about a year ago. If Avs beeing alive so little was a problem for me why did I started? For me there is not such a great need for reigniting the whole community - it would be great, of course! - but i can also go on like this and have fun.

gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh im a zombie....
nah seriously i have been busy, doing nothing with my life.

Sorry but I have been converted by WMP11. The reason is because of its media library capability. Now I say avs should be compatable with at least WMP. If winamp had these media library functions all of the forums might become really active. Well at least Avs.

one of the best features in wmp (and 11): there can be several interprets for one song - divided by a semicolon.

That's for me one of the best features!

i'm using itunes most of the time, both on mac and windows. foobar2000 when it comes to avs and wake-up alarm.

Back to the avs forums.

This is boring, no-one's going to say anything. So I will. When I joined there was nothing happenning and everything was empty. Then I made my "Tips and Tricks" thread. Gee I thought I was cool. But then people said "What are you doing you retard". And maybe that stirred the pot, but at the same time a whole bunch of juinor members appeared. I was the first, I don't know if I should feel proud but I do. The point is, the AVS forums are being overwhelmed by newbies and it's wrecking it. If the newbies were dumb like me (I'm not dumb), the big kids would sort it out it would be ok. But the big kids are too lazy.

I say, all we need are some smart people with the senior member title or above to get off their backside and fix it up.

i'd be willing to do just that.
but what exactly is it that needs fixing in your eyes?
in my opinion it's the newbies that have just duscovered avs and are producing some avs that is, in the eyes of the seniors here, sub-sub-standard. but that is no problem of course, how could they be masters right away? [i mean there still was this kar-ma guy who had some surprising talent, but hey...]
what the newbs need then is "guidance" of some sort, the so called "constructive criticism" [which is at a low in these forums, admitted].
the conflict i have as someone who could provide this, is that most of the time i don't feel very inclined to comment on yet another "trippy-supernovae-water-zomg-so-fat" newbie preset when at the same time i know that i committed the same stuff when i began, and that i could and should help to improve.

the other thing is of course, that AVS [the program itself] is too old, but what the...

We need to make it interesting or let the newbies have their own part until they grow out of it. If we help them out it will be more popular. Maybe we should buddy up with someone? I dunno what to do.

but when do you draw the line at who is a newbie and who still is?

-daz

apparently you spin around 3 times and point at someone 😁

yup. rip avs.

I would like to pretend I would make the effort to work on it... but it is just too out of date... and frankly I am too busy with my own junk to work on Fridge.

Sorry guys...

The majority of the presets and the artists of the oldschool AVS scene died off with the inclusion of the DM and the SSC. The newschool scene exploded and more and more people became interested in it. More features were added, mostly as a result of the artists' demand, eventually taking matters into their own hands using skill and ingenuity to create their own features. Then as the entire artform began to evolve as the presets became more intricate, artists' kept resetting the bar both for themselves and for the entire community. Viewers and artists alike demanded more and more fresh and complex ideas to continue the Wow! factor to keep everyone coming back for more.

Admittedly, I haven't even opened up AVS since April, and I haven't looked around for any new packs in quite some time either, but the last few packs I can remember downloading that really made my jaw drop were Tuggummi's Functions, Pak-9's 5, and Hboy's Mindscapes. For me, 2005 was the pinnacle year for AVS.

I think it's great that there are people who are still holding on, working to create presets and keep the artform and the community going. But, right or wrong, it's apparent that the same old things don't keep people interested anymore. AVS had to transcend to stay alive as long as it did, but I think it reached its peak, and I too am sorry to say that AVS is dead to me.

very well put, dfs

indeed well put dfs, avs would require another oldskool/newskool transition to keep it alive. Which would require some sort of update of avs, if only AOL would listen and do some work on it.

Winamp needs something to set it apart from other media players these days, so its not as if it wouldnt be worth it.

NEW STUFF

In my opinion avs is far from dead, it just needs a boost.
The standalone avs program is an awesome idea, that would more than likely be a huge boost to avs as a whole, including the community. I think avs needs something else altogether.

NEW STUFF.

A few new renders and filters wouldn't hurt. I think avs has exhausted a lot of its possibilities by having all of these people work on it without making new tools to work with.

you can only build so much with a single load of lumber.

another possibility is making a winamp port for psp