WVS Remix Contest

Ok, so making presets only goes a certain way. We just love to remix files.

I made an AVS about 4 months ago called 'Nuclear Daze' Its really simple, funny looking, and slow.

GREAT ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENTS,

I am holding a contest to see who, can make the greatest remix out of this AVS,
I hope everyone gets involves has fun,
And I hope we get some cool results!

No offense, but it's a really simple preset; remixing it [well] would be virtually making a new preset.

Also, when mixing red, green, and blue light, you get yellow (red/green), cyan (green/blue), and magenta (red/blue), as well as white - as well as shades in-between, depending on color levels. Orange is made with 2 parts red and 1 part green (bright orange = 256 red + 128 green), purple is pretty much just half magenta (128 red + 128 blue).

No actually without being a smartass, you can be an AVS artist without superscopes.
Most of you are so stuck in this idea that if an AVS isnt complex it isnt good?!.
Try anyway,
I have made a couple, you can make some interesting things.

Or perhaps Ill post a new AVS for you to try out.

I guarantee youll have more fun with this,
And by the way, I forgot to apologise for the code ripping off,
But in my upcoming pack, Dragon Dreams,

Ie learned to code for myself finallY 😁 😎

We don't use superscopes because we think the existing components suck, but because code gives us more control. Why settle for a 'moving particle' when you can write it yourself AND control it the way you want?

The fact that people regard scoped and dm'ed presets higher is because it shows that the person spent a lot of time with his preset and performed a conscious effort with it. Anyone can throw together a bunch of random stuff and hope it comes out nice (no offense btw).
However you can spend just as much time tuning existing components.

In general, the rule in free publishing societies is that the perceived value of an item is determined by its uniqueness w/ regards to other items.
That's why modern paintings, which usually don't hold up in visual quality when compared to e.g. old realist paintings, still attract people: the painter tried something different and unique.
And what about mondrian? Some of his paintings are purely based on his ability to perfectly draw solid areas and straight lines. Is it artistic? Well considering they're scattered in museums around the world, yes.
If you take a bucket of paint and throw it on a canvas, you're doing essentially the same as the first action painter, but your stuff won't be put up in a museum.

Somehow I guess saying "Gee, thanx for calling me a smartass for no apparent reason whatsoever" doesn't really work...

Well, to me, Art can be good without complexity, For example, Some of my presets, have been awfully simple yet quite nice, In my upcoming pack, Ive grown more complex, adding more Scopes and DMs, but Im just not good at maths, My coding is improving. Im stupid at maths, but good at english, essentially im incapable. I like my AVS though, perhaps you would too, check out my Anarchy pack.
Its on Winamp.com

I agree more or less...my first preset (although unpublished) was only three moving particles (r,g,b), water, and blitter feedback. This looked neat though.

In the real world, modern art can be very simple- a black dot in the corner of a canvas.

I think a lot of modern art in the world is worthless except for the name attached to it. Never did like it much. I always thought it looked pretty ugly. Call me uncultured, but I feel I should want to look at art and appreciate it for how it looks, not what it's supposed to represent.

AVS is all about making what you like to see, and damn what the other guy wants. It's all about self gratification. If other people like your stuff, great, good for them. If they don't screw 'em.

Anyway, I'm not much of a remixer of other people's stuff. Nothing from me for this contest.

amen to that...a black circle in a white square is not art - it's just a black circle in a white square. 😉

Modern art is like most art really... my opinion is that you either like a piece of art, or you don't. Most people walk through a modern art museum at variable pace, only spending time with the things that interest them.

And you might say that you like a 'real' painting better than the 'dot on a canvas', but when you walk through an entire museum of those classic pictures (try the Louvre 🙂) and multiply that by a span of a couple of hundred years, you'll understand why more unorthodox forms of painting (and art in general) sprung up.

One of the most modern forms of art is film. And then I'm not talking about the run-of-the-mill hollywood action flick or romantic comedy, but real visual masterpieces that use video to its fullest and not just a story-with-pictures: to see what I mean, watch Avalon (Mamoru Oshii). Probably too slow for many people, in terms of dialogue it is very minimalistic, yet manages to tell a complicated tale that is very contemporary. One of my favourite films.

Another cool one: Lola Rennt (aka 'Run Lola Run', Tom Tykwer). Intricately constructed and very cool to watch. Very flashy and fast plus it has one of the best, appropriate techno soundtracks in a film.

And if you don't mind a film filled with sarcasm and general finger-pointing at most aspects of modern society, try Ghost World (Terry Zwigoff).

In any case, a lot people like the mentioned movies, and as many hate them. Which is exactly why they are so cool 🙂.

Ah, I tend not to stick movies in with art. I lump them with literature as stories (with a few expections). To me, art is pretty much something static; which is why I don't consider ASV as art.

art is a generalized term for anything that pleases the eye. art doesn't have to be static, nor does it have to be two-dimensional. however, you shouldn't judge something on it's 'hidden meanings', as you can make hidden meanings for any randomly generated string of words - 'smells like teen spirit' comes to mind 🙂

btw, unconed, do you know of the quatsi series? powanisquatsi, powasquatsi, i think konanisquatsi - probably all speeld rong, but who cares 😉

Art is basicly everything and anything that gives the person viewing or listening a disired feeling or memory.

art is??

Art is being able to do what you want to do by combining skills with an idea. I.e. a painting is just a manifestation of an idea. A white circle in a black square can have a very powerful meaning.

For example an article I've read in TIME magazine. It had a large black box at the top of the article. Underneath it said - 'this square is white'. The column then went onto explain how communism and other social/political structure control thought and destroy the power of free thought (by creating a unified thought which was not allowed to be questioned). For its application - the black square was a very powerful image when applied to this philosophy.

If .avs is art (which I believe it is) - it is simply being able to create your idea using the available tools. Using knowledge to make an idea work - that is art. You don't have to be a michelangelo (who used paint methodology, brush technique, a philosophy of the human form etc to create his art).

If the dude has created something with a few dots - thats fikn wicked. Could he be a better artist if he knew superscopes and maths? It depends on his ideas.
Instead of telling him its crap and whats wrong with it - try telling him a better way of doing it.
That is how all great artists have learn't.

Good artists borrow - Great artist steal - Brett Whitley

Yes, but the piece itself doesn't have a meaning whatsoever. If the artist wished to convey that meaning, they should do it explicitly (or at least semi-explicitly).
One of my favorite quotes (the originator of whom I have no idea) is "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." Speaking of which, that "good artists borrow..." quote is more of a proverb than a quote - I could probably list a thousand (famous) people who have said that publicly, from the 1400s onward...

art and meaning

Well in that case I guess he really lives up to what he says ' correct? 🙂

For hells sake, The whole point is that art doesnt have to be complex to be good. And AVS is no exception,
I dont care if its not copmplex, On my Music PC, I just ahve so many AVS packs always in random that you can never look at one for over 30 seconds, who cares, ITS JUST SUPPOSED TO BLOODY LOOK GOOD!
AVS doesnt get chicks, earn jobs or make money,
IT JUST LOOKS GOOD,
You dont have to try so hard to make these things which only 0.00001%
of the population gives a hoot about! 😠

But you're talking to the 0.00001% of the population that does care. It just so happens that the 0.00001% of the 0.00001% thet are here now tend to like the flexability the SSC and DM afford them.

True, most people don't care how much work goes into making these. But for some, that's what it's all about.

But he does have a point...we're here to learn, not to try to define the meaning of the word 'art' 😛

The whole point is that art doesnt have to be complex to be good.

I agree that the main point of AVS is so that it looks good. But, if you look at most of the good avs presets they are at least somewhat complex IMHO.

You dont have to try so hard to make these things which only 0.00001% of the population gives a hoot about!

The main reason that many of us write AVS presets is not to impress others but because we want to make them.

Not to impress others? Does that mean "not to get any feedback"? I don't think anyone of us would make avs presets if we wouldn't get any feedback about it... i don't think i would be writing this today if nobody would ever say: "Hey, i enjoyed your work. Good effort." or "I would suggest that you...". I mean good or bad, we all like to get comments about our work. Our wanting to make avs is to please others and to get critisism and learn of our mistakes. The number of downloads (which some people consider top priority) to your avs pack tells you how many people have downloaded and installed it into their system, but a comment tells you wheter or not the person liked your work. And that is what drives me forward. I would be lying if i would say that i would still be making presets even if people wouldn't enjoy my work. If people hate your work, what point is it to do it? To piss off the person who wasted his time downloading, installing and viewing your presets?

Oh and a black dot on a white canvas does have only one meaning. It makes you think what the hell it should present or mean! 😁

Personally, I don't care whether or not others like it, as long as I like it. If they want me to change something in one of my presets and I agree with them then I will change it, but if they don't like what I'm doing and I don't agree with what they want me to change then I won't change it. I'm not doing this for their pleasure. If I was, then I would expect some sort of payment in return. I'm doing it for myself and if others like it then more power to them.

I design avs to integrate into my vj lineup.
Its awesome to get feedback from the crowd - but its even more fun just making avs, or putting a show together, or even just doing some deco.

now, really...AVS is NOT the thing to run at parties; try katafx or the hypnogenic screensaver.

I don't see anything wrong with AVS at parties. It's decently stable, looks cool and, with an uber-system, decently fast.

That's the hard part - getting an uber-system. Anything decently different will be too low-rez anyway.

now, really...AVS is NOT the thing to run at parties

It worked for me 250 people 4 top DJ's and a digital projector on to the back house wall, Using AVS. Just over 6 months ago, I had it set up to run in 640x480 on a 1.2 ghz athlon w' 256 ddr, got really good framerates still nice and smooth and wasn't noticable pixelated. Ppl loved it (understatment). Not to say those otherones arn't better for whateva reason I haven't seen em. AVS works fine for people with a setup like that. We hired the projector.

Is this thread going to drag on forever, changing topics as it goes along?

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