End of Whacko

If you've seen any of the 'Nullsoft at work' .NSVs, you'll know the reason why there aren't any updates. All they do is muck around all day and get paid heaps of money.

Rovastar: it's actually pretty reassuring to hear from your mouth that even the moderators are confronted with the Nullsoft team living in their ivory tower. It shows exactly where the problem is.

The only option I see is detachment: leave wa.com and move elsewhere. DeviantArt is a good option with its new vis category, but it doesn't have good forums imo. I'm not a big fan of overgeneralisation DA-style anyway... it simply consists of several independent communities living next to eachother on the same site, and the only time they get into contact with eachother is when one bitches about the DD of another.
And it seems DA is suffering from SlashDot syndrome: every news article is plagued with 'first post!' comments and useless replies from people who haven't even read the article.

Quadrophenia

Mabey the people at Nullsoft, just love to party.

Mabey they made a really good program and it got really popular, they made something of them selves, and now they probalbly get paid to party. You know party in the office, those crazy larakens. Hey chicks dig AVS ! Mabey they're sick of coding thier old software and can smell that sweet smell of oportunity comming their way (in different fields bethatasitmay). And all the diehard fans of thier original product want'em to stay true. Mabey they'll say "f@*k it I've had 40 shots of tequila I'll do what the f@*k I want" get in to their new lexus and layoff some burnouts in the carpark ... and mabey they wont.

If they're not doing anything about it, its probably because there's nothing to do anything about. Surely we all disagree, but in the end people will do what ever the hell it is they want to do.

In all likleyness there's always something coming after winamp 3 either of the same name or otherwise. The question is will it have a decent editable visual🧟isation program to go with it. I'm sure it will, people love Musical Visualisations. So how will it be? what will it look like?

Now AVS is f@*king great we all know that but eventually its going to be supersceeded by something else, So if you want to hang on long-term to something that will eventually disapear. Go and do Visualisations on a C64 and tell someone who cares. If you love to make Visualisations you need good tools and in this ViSworld the tools are always gonna change.

Mabey all this disscusion is just the death rattle of of AVS being phazed out... Mabey it's not.. Mabey people who are as good as the Nullsoft people should take advantage of a situation and develop it themselves .. is that possible? Are we all just sheep !!!😱

Stick it to em, push the envelope, fight for your right to .. party..
😕

If Code were my thing I'd code code to a coder whilst hes coding code. But It aint.

Love from
Visual🧟Agnosia

I don't think they are making so much money from a FREE product, that they can party all day long... Or maybe they are, i don't know, im not a marketing expert. Maybe they get so much advertising funds that they can bath on champagne and wipe their asses on hundred dollar bills 🙄

It's still hard to imagine that all they do is party away and drink all day long... though it would explain a lot of things 😁

i left for the same reasons, avs has become to restricting. Even tho i really haven't achieved your technicallity, i don't see any more ways to make presets.

are you "leaving" us? well that's a shame. can't say more that it's a shame just because it's a shame.

Meh, I just muddle about with different function sequences and see what happens. I keep what I like and ditch what I don't, and keep what works in mind for other presets.

IMHO, all AVS really needs in the line of predefined constants is pi - that 3.1415325....(okay, so I can't remember much more than 3.1415 in pi, so sue me 😛 ) irrational nonterminating number that's the circumference of a circle divided by its diameter.

Of course, new render objects would be nice too, but...

Well, no offense, but you're not at the point where there's nothing else to do.

And pi can be calculated as acos(-1) or 2*acos(0) (I think), and e is exp(1)

There's a thread which has been started in General Discussions, please post there if you think you can contribute. It's basically about the current Winamp plugin situation - and we need everyone from both the AVS and MilkDrop forums to join together and see what we can do.

By having the discussion there it should be much more useful, given that GD is by far the most popular forum, and it should make our common problems with both plugins known to the wider Winamp community....

Please help out by posting there!

Well I broke from AVs for a while. i did have a new pack about to come out #13
how ever that pack went bye-bye whem i format C:eed it ^_^

I have been gone from it til i could understand more trig, however I'll be back. and I bet so will Unconed.

oh god no!

oh no. Dude, I love your presets pack. I wish you could do just one more super dooper preset before you leave.

But he did, didn't he? All 16 of them.

once again: respect his wishes. he has a life too.

God no man...
Im gonna miss U: father of DM, god of Superscope...

I loved your presets man. I think part of the decline in AVS makers is the simple idea that people see the awesome things you do and figure that they'll never be able to make something that cool. It's a shame, cause AVS is awesome. I guess there are only a few of us left who actually love to watch it....
AVS needs an upgrade, but who's gonna do it?

The first visualization in winamp i saw was geiss a few years ago...THe first version 🙂 Then milkdrop and avs...I enjoyed watching them but i didnt try to create any because i figured you need math and alot of coding and c++.One day in 2002 i looked in the avs editor and started to add things.I created my first preset yuppy!After multiple tests and addings i had a marvelous idea : go to winamp.com and get more presets to study! Whacko AVS were the first packs i downloaded and i was amazed...They kept me going and going.
The point of this little story ? Whacko avs is and will be the reference point for avs presets.Im sorry to see UnConeD leave and im sorry to see more and more avs artists leaving...Anyway im sure that someday they will return because AVS IS A DRUG.

oh yeah UnConeD disappeared, that lasted didnt it. look at el-vis, he left and then after about how long was it? he was releasing presets on deviantart. UnConeD's main reason for leaving was that there was not much left to do with the current state of avs, now that we've had reassurance that it will be updated from steve i think he'll be back with a vengeance with a number 7 or a whole new series. Sure do hope so

Yes, they said that they would work on it. But do you remember when?
They won't work on AVS until after they finish fixing the bugs in Winamp 3 - and we all know that there are plenty of these.😠 And then there's the X-box thing, too. By then, who knows? Of course, UnConeD is still active right now; he's just not as active as before.

LOL @ Xbox version. It's like spooning out water in a sinking ship.

What`s with winamp and xbox ? A link or a smth about it would be appreciated 🙂 Oh and anubis i know some c++ and pascal...If you have time you can PM or email that explanation to me.Thanks in advance

Search the forums next time.

Good Bye UnConeD

We're all gonna miss u! 😢

Who the hell shall i ask now for technical avSupport??

Hope you're beeing back when AVS 2.6 is finally out, so seeya in 5/6 years...

He hasn't truly left Magic.X. He still hangs around here making a preset every now and then

if everyone is so bummed about nullsoft never releasing a new version of avs, why dont we ask them to opensource it so we can do the updating ourselves? i can just see it now... avs.sf.net 🙂

UnConeD, you will be missed, but i am sensing that you will surface somewhere else, doing even greater things that no one can imagine at this point 🙂 good luck to ya.

many people have tried to get the source code to AVS, but they won't release it. The only choice is to wait for them to update it(or hex hack it, but that is extremely difficult).

i spose that we could start engineering a new preset system of our own, ide be up for the challenge 🙂 that way, we could code in everything that we wanted, and who knows, maby nullsoft would take a serious look at it.

Writing a decent visualisation studio like AVS is extremely hard to do. You have to be able to make a very good beat detection program and then make all of the different components to work with it. I plan to make one, but I'm going to wait at least until after a couple years at college.

i think the beat detection would be the hardest thing to do. the rest of it would be hard, ill give you that, but im sure that it is doable. ive been reading up on compiler design, and implementation of virtual machines recently, and to create a scripted visualizer really doesnt seem like it would end up being all that difficult. we would just need more people on board; theres no chance i can put in the time needed to get something like this out right now.

*cough* NEW THREAD *cough*