new tutorial?

i think it would be nice in addition to actually add a tutorial (or some links) and to stop n00bs (like me) from quad posting in the forums (🙄 ) and maybe a feature to the search?

What makes you think people who don't read the FAQ will read this?

i think everytime someone opens up a new account he/she has to read the FAQ (of course...) but then is only allowed to post here after passing a test about the stuff told in the FAQ. That would keep it seriously more bearable to read the threads here.

I sort of agree with MATT, I think it would be nice if there was a locked sticky thread with a list of tutorials, I know the AVS Programming guide thread is sticky but its got a load of crap in it and peoples random replied.

I would make such a thread myself but people are bound to post replies before it gets locked and stickied by a mod (i.e. you coned)

you could say "please don't reply" (which of course doesn't prevent people from doing so), but a mod could delete all replies when he locks the thread...

actually that would be nice, except i meant in the AVS itself in winamp... as you open the "AVS Editor", it would open a help guide? instead of stuff in ssc help "new ssc tutorial goes here" 😛

That would be very nice indeed MaTTFuRY, but as in we've given up all hope of AVS being uptaded again i guess were all DOOMED to the extreme exposure of n00b threads for the REST OF OUR LIVES!

couldn't this idea at least be applied on this forum in any way? Perhaps we can dam the problem that way...

I think the point of this thing was that those forum "dam"'s don't have any effect?

i could make an APE to achieve this one-time startup tutorial and maybe add a menu entry to open it later. nullsoft would just have to include that little file in the next winamp and we'd be relieved of a lot of noobs 🙂

yeah, i think we should try to do something! If they will update avs, that ape for example would be better than nothing!

A community tutorial?

I propose for the very first page/welcome screen a text: "If you think you are going to do AVS, then learn ALGEBRA! You smelly n00b!!!"

hehe, or just one page

"Figure it out yourself you damn noob!"

Followed by various stories from members of the AVS community about how they tought themselves everything they know, and they did it without megabufs and mutliline frame boxes.

Yeah, that's it! I'd also write a story, cause i didn't even know of any community for more than 3 years! Of course, i've learned much more during my time here (btw THANK YOU ALL!!) than before. But anyways, i knew what did what and so on (just the basic things).

My thought is that the current tutorials should at least be added to the FAQ first (url's).

Reasons:
1) My hope of 'better text to put here' (i.e. a new tutorial) actually being in that box is at zero now.
2) Noobs wouldn't find this new tutorial just as they don't find the existing ones (which are good enough as they are now IMO), no matter in what other place it is.

- at least then we can point them to the FAQ as it is the most asked question, but it isn't even in the FAQ.

Well they would surely find it when it pops up everytime you open the avs-editor. 😉

All in all i'm not that pessimistic: i still believe that there are people who read the faq (or at least parts of it 😉), so if there were such a list of links leading to tutorials it would make sense.
The point is, that the bunch of "sticky-info" has to be updated. Who ever reads each of the 6 "tips&tricks" pages?

There is a rather large flaw in the tutorial APE idea... people would have to actually download it in the first place; what is the chance of that if they wont even bother reading the faq or searching for tutorials.

no, the idea was, that it should be implemented in avs, (provided they bring out a new version, if not this idea is indeed.. crap).

Yea but if they're going to bring out a new version (which we all know they're not) then the expression help can just be updated to have decent text in it

but an ape that causes a pop-up-box giving decent information BEFORE the editor is actually accessible would be much more effective.
(Of course the expression help could be updated, too)

it'd be added into all the winamp packages anyways? > because its "PART OF" winamp

if i unserstood the idea correctly, it would be added to winamp, so that when you at first start the editor you get some information about avs like tutorials, help...
So you don't have to put it into any pack. But since it's unclear (= very improbable) that there will be a new version of avs, this whole idea is probably unpracticable.

they just need to add one small file that will even be very well compressable.
there is a chance they'll do that 😉

hey, never lose hope! But while waiting for them to do so, what about cleaning up the noob-information here on the forum? Or at least make an attractive packed link-list of available tutorials?

yah best would be outlined with a flashy border in neon colors

of course! And additionally we could have something like a java applet that automatically prints the whole page!

/ saves 10 backups of the current vis_avs.dll

/me ditto's Wotl

I would be extremely annoyed by a "hey, you fucking n00b, why not check the AVS tutorial first?" message.

well, of course there will be a config-box, where you can enter that you are no noob. You just have to got the password! 😉