lol @ tugg 😁
Christian Visualizations?
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on the other hand, maybe some pervert priests would watch 😉
Blasphemy! Slap him in the mouth! 😁
Originally posted by ;-c ,rattaplanSanta Claus would not exist without christianity. The name is a permutation of 'Saint' and Nicholas.
@cmontford: What has Santa to do with Christianity?
@all: Happy new year 2 u 2
Anyway, I don't think anything without the ability to invent a god can be christian. AVS presets probably don't have souls/minds, whether or not souls/minds exist.
AVS presets probably don't have souls/minds🧟
I really can't even guess where in the worlds name you come up with that thought! Computers or computer generated/produced 'stuff' has a soul? (you talked only about avs presets, maybe you think Windows OS's have a soul... which is a rather frightening thought...)
Anyway, when things get into talking about does AI have a soul, it's better to stop 🙂
Yeah, that is just a bit creapy.
To: Tuggummi and OnionRingofDoom
When I say soul/mind what I mean is: has a dualism, as in mind & body, rather than simply body.
In Douglas Coupland's novel 'Microserfs' one of the characters builds a 'soul' database for his notebook.
The idea isn't that farfetched. If we are simply material beings--in other words, having mind and body exist as one entity, rather than a dualism--then AI would have all of the same faculties as humans possibly even better ones. Have you ever seen 'Bladerunner' or even that crappy movie 'AI'?
For the purposes of this, read mind as subjectivity and body as objectivity. I don't mean brain when I say mind, unless I am talking about materialism.
If we exist with seperate mind/soul and body then there is no locus for subjectivity, so how will AI have a subjective viewpoint without it being put there by a human? And exactly where is it 'put'? There is no location for the 'mind'. So does it spontaneously form in an conceptual reality at the conception of subjectivity?
AI uses heuristics, which in turn come from thought and sensory data, and thought comes from the mind/brain. Either way it's subjective. And if you're the kind who believe in souls you shouldn't exclude the possibility of AI having a soul, after all quantum physics seems to suggest that it's more than probable, seeing how our world is really an interaction and interpretation of ourselves.
Other literature and movies that ponder the question of AI and souls:
Pinnochio
2001: A space oddessey
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Supernova
That's just off the top of my head. C'mon, like this really came out of far left field. It's been a pretty common thought for quite a while.
When I say soul/mind what I mean is: has a dualism, as in mind & body, rather than simply body.
In Douglas Coupland's novel 'Microserfs' one of the characters builds a 'soul' database for his notebook.
The idea isn't that farfetched. If we are simply material beings--in other words, having mind and body exist as one entity, rather than a dualism--then AI would have all of the same faculties as humans possibly even better ones. Have you ever seen 'Bladerunner' or even that crappy movie 'AI'?
For the purposes of this, read mind as subjectivity and body as objectivity. I don't mean brain when I say mind, unless I am talking about materialism.
If we exist with seperate mind/soul and body then there is no locus for subjectivity, so how will AI have a subjective viewpoint without it being put there by a human? And exactly where is it 'put'? There is no location for the 'mind'. So does it spontaneously form in an conceptual reality at the conception of subjectivity?
AI uses heuristics, which in turn come from thought and sensory data, and thought comes from the mind/brain. Either way it's subjective. And if you're the kind who believe in souls you shouldn't exclude the possibility of AI having a soul, after all quantum physics seems to suggest that it's more than probable, seeing how our world is really an interaction and interpretation of ourselves.
Other literature and movies that ponder the question of AI and souls:
Pinnochio
2001: A space oddessey
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Supernova
That's just off the top of my head. C'mon, like this really came out of far left field. It's been a pretty common thought for quite a while.
Originally posted by Insolent_ChimpI bet your Dutch. Santa Claus is the dude for christmas, Saint Nicholas (Sinterklaas) is the dude on the 5th of december.
[B]Santa Claus would not exist without christianity. The name is a permutation of 'Saint' and Nicholas.
the day this thread dies, i'm going to church and pray thank you 😛
Um Deamon, Santa Claus IS Saint Nicolas IS Sinterklaas. They are just warped versions of the same story.
Not Dutch.
lol @ yat 😛
I thought Santa Claus is the "kerstman" and that Sinterklaas is just somebody else.
Deamon: you're right, sort of. Santa Claus is 'de kerstman' and Sinterklaas is the other dude. But they are simply two different versions of the same story/myth... you never wondered why they both wear red and a funny hat, and deliver gifts through the chimney?
Sure, the details vary a bit, but the main idea is still the same.
Sure, the details vary a bit, but the main idea is still the same.
they wear red because coca cola started that at some time for a commercial.. he/they dressed brown originally
however, we're super off-topic, why don't you close this damn thread 🙂
however, we're super off-topic, why don't you close this damn thread 🙂
you call off-topic a reason to close a thread? People'll stop talking in it if they don't like it anymore.
Though you're right, let's get back to the original purpose of this thread, or let it die peacefully.
Though you're right, let's get back to the original purpose of this thread, or let it die peacefully.
This thread was off-topic from the beginning IMO. It'll die if it wants to 😉.
But we all know that the real santa lives in Finland in the arctic circle 😛
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But no one hasn't still answered my question: "Will i burn in hell for being so free minded" 😞 😛
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But no one hasn't still answered my question: "Will i burn in hell for being so free minded" 😞 😛
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I guess not, Tugg. And Sinterklaas lives in Spain, Santa lives on the north pole! 😛
Originally posted by Deamonyou obviously don't know this
Santa lives on the north pole! 😛
lol. Now that is cool, Yathosho 😁.