Presets for WA5

Originally posted by NemoOrange
Hey, how about some presets that don't suck FPS!!!

I mean, we all know that the Wacko stuff is great & all, but we have to consider putting in some visualizations that can appeal to everyone, not just techies & programmers or whatever. Also, newpics should be accessible to newbies since this will be their first introduction to AVS. If we put on a bunch of complex presets, they'll never be able to grasp the simple concepts that lie behind the visualizations.

I agree, but there also have to be presets that show AVS at it's best.

I tried to pick a couple that weren't huge framerate suckers.
They all run fast on my pc. And by fast I mean ~35FPS at 400x400.

Hmm... even tho i selected quite fps sucker presets as my own "newpicks" , i agree with nemo, the newpicks has always been know for their speed. But im having a really hard time with the APEless concept, it's so damn hard to make great presets with the standard AVS effects and not only that, the APE's usually speed up the preset a lot...

Give me Convolution APE and i could probably give you some fps friendly presets 🙂

APE-less preset for WA5:

Format...

Are you going to make it like newpicks, in that there will be lots by one artist or will you just have a big mix of different artists?

If its the 'lots by one artist' I think tug should definately be in there.

Re: Format...

Originally posted by PAK-9
Are you going to make it like newpicks, in that there will be lots by one artist or will you just have a big mix of different artists?

If its the 'lots by one artist' I think tug should definately be in there.

I think it should be a mix of a lot of artists for more variety. I was actually thinking of something like the Deskmod series.

Originally posted by Nic01
Hmm...

I suggest the top 10 AVS KO Tournament 2 for the newpicks (or the top presets up to that point, in case we don't finish soon enough 😉)
For 2nd edition of newpicks2, probably a sort of AVSers' choice (and admin choice...) of either overall presets or AVS KO Tour 2.

Still, with our insane bipolaristic set of judges, I think it's a bad idea...

🙄

how about elvis or tonic, don't make the newpicks pure 3d, show the winamp downloaders somthing different then overdone 3d presets

Edit:

Skupers: if the apes end up being a big problem, you can just use the original preset to nominate

demmit! most of my presets use convo...

and most of mine use CMa.

you do not need to remove the following APEs from your presets:

- Multiplier
- Channel Shift
- Color Reduction

And probably Color map too.

🙄

I think it would be much better if the whole avs community banded together and made a new newpicks from scratch with just one preset from each artist involved in addition to a small collection of existing presets. Before you all boo and crush my idea into dust let me explain my reasoning by way of advantages and disadvantages

Advantages

• You end up with a wide sample of all of avs, demonstrating many different styles and techniques and showing different levels of technical competence
• Fewer people will hate/be irritated by all of the newpicks
• We could collect a faily large amount of original presets very quickly since everyone only has to make one
• We can show the new effects and capabilities of AVS because every preset will be new and made using the new version of AVS
• First time AVS users (and existing ones possibly) will be exposed to a larger number of avs artists, this makes the community look bigger and better as well as providing users with a fairly good list of names to look up when they want more.
• People won't feel so left out by not getting their presets picked amongst our favorites
• Some of us (I would anyway) may want to make a preset that specifically uses the new features heavily to provide a good example for 'learners' + to show off the power of AVS
• Newer presets tend to better... evolution innit

Disadvantages

• You may end up with a few really bad presets or maybe even a couple of really similar presets
• We wont be able to fill it with lots of Whacko and EL-VIS and such
• We all would need to make an avs preset... I've noticed that I can make a preset in a time range from 30 mins to 30 days, so it could take some time to gather a large collection

If one preset each is a bit extreme then maybe two, plus I think it would be a good idea to get some of the noobs in on this, that way the newnewpicks will appeal to them and us.

🙂

i think its an uber idea
that way noone will be able to gloa0: "100k @ m3!!1!!1 1 got 10 preezts in n00pix! w00t!" etc..

:|

And i think it would be a good insentive, everyone will be prety keen to make nice looking presets if they know the whole world is gonna see them.

Eh, I don't like the idea. But that may just be me

This is problematic indeed, i mean how we are going to make the "newpicks" with avs2.7 to the publishing of 2.7 if it is published the first time with the final version of wa5. This is a problem because something you made with pre3 might not work in pre4 or in the final version. (i've said this atleast 10 times in various places by now... 🧟 )

I agree to tuggummi. We can't make a newpicks until the final version comes out - by then, we probably won't have time before Winamp 5 comes out and it gets released to the general public.

We need to just go with existing stuff - sure WA5 will have some cool stuff, but it won't make a huge difference in preset quality.

I also have said that we shouldn't make too many presets using 2.7 stuff until the final comes out - that would be a big pain if a lot of stuff got changed.

I thought my mixes were pretty varied 🙁 .

I like jherikos plan. Dont know about this lets wait thing but Im definetly for deversity.

i dont see much point in waiting.. i cant imagne that avs2.7 wont be backward compatible. That would be just stupid.. Whas more, there has been no indication to suggest it from justin.

honestly, just because these presets <b>could</b> be released with wa5 and avs2.7 doesn't mean that they <b>must</b> use the new components.

diversity is probably a great step for new users of winamp, as it would allow people to see the potential of a completely user defined visual program. But while not always the most technical presets, the people over at nullsoft do the best job of diversity. Many of you have already picked a style, and nothing will take you out of it, but the thing is that if i were a new user, i wouldn't want to see 30 something presets of 3D ideas that, for the most part, are rather similiar.

You as a society have placed yourself in a paradigm where everything must use snazzy DM and beyond complicated SSC. Honestly, i don't believe that most of you see the beauty of simplicity, of changing your style to a more conceptual one. There are a few exceptions out there, but for the most part, you focus on the mathmatical pieces rather than realizing that AVS is supposed to be art.

Sorry for rambling, but just a thought from someone who's been working with the program for about 4 years now.

~Horse-Fly

Well said, HF, but complexity can make even better presets.

There are people who do really simple presets that are awesome, but then some people can make some of the most visually stunning complex presets that I can imagine. Neither is really better, IMO. I am personally better at doing more complex ones - I don't have enough of an artistic touch to make something simple look really nice like some people do. The ones that use crazy code are actually easier for me to make - I have a very mathematical mind.

We should try to get a mix - show the full spectrum of AVS presets.

I totally agree with Jheriko, the idea is great. If we're gonna do this, count me in 😁

Originally posted by Horse-Fly
You as a society have placed yourself in a paradigm where everything must use snazzy DM and beyond complicated SSC...

..and the same boring cubes other people already did a zillion times like 2 years ago 😛

i find jheriko's a very good one. looks like the best solution, only egomanics wouldn't like it.

..and the same boring cubes other people already did a zillion times like 2 years ago

hahah, look who's talking 😛 I know of 2 certain remixes who both were made from cube presets 😉



I... I can't decide which side to "fall in"... I have enjoyed making 3D presets for my next pack, but at the moment it feels like agony to make those complex things. Sometimes heavy coding is fun (for me this means lots& lots of simple things used together), but i also enjoy making simple things. But i think you have to know atleast some code even to do the conceptual pieces, face it rotoblitter just doesn't do it anymore, it's so boring & monotenous.

well.. ive only really been at it for less than a year.. but the way i work has always been: idea>thought>code (with a whole bunch of pullinmg out hair in the meantime.. sometimes my presets are very simple, because they didnt need to be complex to achieve the original idea. Some use all sorts of crazy junky code, and others are just plain fucked up (the whole unicycle ordeal).

anyways.. my point was something like: lets go with j's idea, and concentrate on making a bunch of presets that show diversity.. demonstrate everyones differnt styles.. and ARNT stupidly complicated just for the sake of looking all geeky and clever. Lets just make some uber presets..

let me know if that made any sense. Im a bit sloshed right now.. this room feels like its tilted 90o.. X_x

MMMMMMmmmmmmm...

I would think that 2.7 is bound to be backwardly compatible with the pre-releases, even if newer features demanded that the file format change I doubt it would be hard to add back compatibility since it will have to load 2.5 presets too, it makes good sense.

You can use this, no APE's used. And it shows a hint towards a way of making a DM torus by bending the rays 😉

PS. I'm drunk.

ps, i suk @ avs

That could be an awesome preset - it's really weird how it's an impossible setup. Just needs some music responsiveness.

So what is the plan? Do we stick to the original and each post 3 presets with no APE's (except what might be included in). Or do we break apart from this and make our own "newpicks" pack which we then publish outside the actual wa5 release? Or what? 🧟 Im so very confused... and scared 😱 😕