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shreyas_potnis#

Co-ordinate system disaster

ah....🙁 A very unhappy day today. It just happened that we had a 25 marks test the day before yesterday on graph.
The test was very easy, although I made a very grave mistake. I am so used to the inverted y-axis in AVS that I took the same thing on my graph paper, for all the problems and ended up drawing everything inverted 😢
Hardly managed to score 8 marks because of the writing part 😳

ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I DONT LIKE AVS.
Deamon#
That sucks. Can you still make the year? It makes you wondering why the Nullsoft guys inverted the Y-axis instead of using a normal one.
Tuggummi#
When it fucks up your school, you know you've had too much avs 😛 Remember what happened to fsk? 🧟
[Ishan]#
Sorry to increase your pains shreyas but i noticed this bug in your DCS ape(i dont know whether anyone has found it or not), it does not return random colours i,e. if you use two DCS they both return same colours!
Here's where i found the bug:
Magic.X#
LOL!

This is a commonly known bug. The random function works by predefined permutation, so its only pseudo random. If you dont initialize the start value, it will always return the same order.
Magic.X#
No, you got me wrong. I meant its a commonly known programming fault that many peopel make.

You wont have this prob with DM's or SSC's as they dont have this fault.

What you need to do is randomize (get a start value from the system timer)
Magic.X#
I think he'll recover from this soon. Head up Shreyas, there's more important stuff in life than tests @ school.
Tuggummi#
Ishan, not everyone goes to a school that is like most highschools... You see me posting? That means im still at school... You won't see me posting next week though.
Magic.X#
Dunno 'bout India, but here in Germany, the start and end of vacation is diffrent for every state.

This is done to avoid traffic jams on the highways.

Guess it should be the same in India.

Where in India do both of you live?
UnConeD#
Shreyas: As long as you pick two non-linear dependant base vectors you have a 2D coordinate system.
How to orient the X,Y axes is purely arbitrary. Of course you will almost always pick an orthonormal system (which you still did). In 3D, the most common rule is the right-hand rule, but in 2D you usually pick whichever is easiest.

On my mechanics exam yesterday I picked a 2D coordinate system with the X,Y axes at 30° and 60° angles to the paper. Basically it was about a prism lying flat on the ground like this. On the sloped side on the left was a box, and the right a cylinder and both were connected with a rope over the top. The point was to calculate the speed of the three parts (box, prism and cylinder) given all the masses, friction coefficients, etc. I put my X,Y axes like this:

(. = rope, [] = box, O = cylinder, * = pulley)
.*.
. _-__. _-__ X
[]- --O Y _- --__
- ¯¯-- v >
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
(ph33r teh ASCIII ATR!!!11!!)
Makes the assignment easier because the two objects on the slopes then move in either the X or Y direction rather than an odd angle.


I don't see why you'd lose so many points for that though. What are your teachers taking? If the actual contents of the graphs were right, it doesn't matter.
In fact, they're teaching math wrong. Math is nothing more than a set of chosen conventions, that are elaborately built upon. Some of these conventions are used to make things easier (e.g. putting your x,y axes at 90° angles and using the same scale on both) but some are purely arbitrary (e.g. which way the axes point, left-handed or right-handed). By taking away points for this they're showing they don't care about whether or not you understand math, but simply if you can reproduce the stupid graphs exactly the way they want you to reproduce them.

(PS: right hand rule... extend your right hand so it's flat. Your thumb is the X axis, your fingers the Y. Now bend your fingers towards you so they are at 90° with your hand. They now point in the right-handed Z direction.)
Magic.X#
ok, you're generally right UnConeD, but you have to differ between geometrical drawings and math graphs that shall show sin, cosine, etc.

I don't know any teacher that would give points on a "custom" coordinate system.
shreyas_potnis#
Ok, guys, here's the deal:
The education system in India is really fucked up.(atleast I think so).
This test wasnt in the school but in the tution classes. I was unhappy because if you dont score well, you wont get in Intensive Coaching, a special course to train the potential merit list holders.
And I was talking about the education system in India. I hate it. Firstly, you have to take all the subjects till 10th std. Then the competition is so intense that even 1/2 mark counts. The papers are corrected by the board (in X std) and the rules are sort of weird.

I argued with the teacher a bit, but what she told was true. She told the "I can give you makrs now, but then the board examiners wont. If it werent for the inverted y-axis, you could have scored 25/25"

And UnconeD, you are right, what they see if whether you can reproduce the stupid graphs exactly the way they want you to reproduce them.

Magic: I live in Thane, a city very close to Mumbai, Maharashtra and Ishan lives in Jabalpur, Madhya Pradesh. And no, the vacations start and end at almost the same time. hey are based on 1) the summer vacations - because of the intense heat. 2) Diwali, major festival of the hindus 3) Christmas - Not all schools have vacations, but we have for 12 days.

Ishan: this test was in the tutions and the school has already started 🙂
[Ishan]#
Started?😱 so soon! the temp. is like 45 centigrades here!!! My schools are going to start from 1st July🙂
Magic.X#
A friend of mine recently visited GOA / India and some other places. Nice party culture there although it has become very technoid within the last years.
Anyway, its exactly what we try to rebuild on a local basis here. 😁
shreyas_potnis#
chk this out!
GOA Beach
Magic.X#
Hehe, nice! 😁

Only am i missing some palms and dancing peopel right under em.

Something like this: