Atero was banned

thanks for telling me gonzo.

Just out of interest did anyone tell Atero that creating a new user and posting would result in a permaban?

not sure...emailed him just in case

[Edit]I am in touch with him through email, just an fyi.[/edit]

It's in the rules, just as flaming is also in the rules. If anyone thinks that ignorance of the law is an excuse for commiting the crime, I have some underhanded things for you to do for me 🙂.

-=Gonzotek=-

Atero can't claim that anyway. How many times in the past has he flamed noobs to hell because they didn't read the FAQ's or search the forums. The rules are right there in "big fucking letters" for all to see. Ignorance is no excuse. A permban is not something you just make up an excuse and you can fix it in the morning. Face it, he's gone. I'm not completely convinced though because he is a valued member of the AVS community.

It is still possible that he could be allowed back, but it is extremely unlikely and the mods would probably not be willing to do it. Besides, going by his most recent posts, I would say that he may not want to come back.

good news...

From an e-mail (in response to Jheriko's question):

nope. but i'm talking to gonzotek about it, he says he'd make a case for me
w/the rest of the mods. i *might* be back in a while - could be weeks,
could be months, could be never...i dunno

Yeah behave and he might be back.....only because he is a valued mamber of the forums and not guarenteered.(sp?) sorry drunk

What a forum! Our noobiator got banned and our mod got drunk... 😛

Maybe there should be some new AVS'ing threads brought up now - i've never seen so many locked ones in here before!

But as we all know Atero, behaving as a princess has never been his stongest side.. I doubt that even if he promisses to behave, he'll never swear or flame toward n00bs again. That just isn't who he is. This makes it really hard for him to ever come back. I don't say this to piss off Atero, but just to show how hard it is if he ever wants to come back here.

It's sad as it is though, but this was the only thing the mods could do...

Does anyone else find it a bit lame that almost everyone in these forums has flamed the n00bs to some extent and that extensive flaming has gone on in several threads then all of a sudden atero flames a mod and then gets banned straight away. I thought the mods were always watching... if there was tighter control in the first place then this situation may never have occured.

We're human, and unpaid, not bots. The pendulum swings from relaxed to controlled, when it comes to moderating. When we've allowed things to go on with out a lot of intervention, we eventually begin to get negative feeback that we're not doing our jobs. But (and the recent event is proof of this) as soon as we try to fairly reinforce what the rules dictate(in response to that feedback), we get negative feedback that we're "abusing our power" or similar. My personal style is to try hard to use reasoning and persuasion before resorting to any moderator functions. But sometimes you aren't given a choice.

All I can say at this point is that we can't change the past, so lets work on a better forum for tomorrow.

-=Gonzotek=-

Its your decision to make but personally I would have been much softer on flaming at first and then gradually increased the strictness around here.

Rapid changes are always bad, they cause extinction where as gradual changes allow for adaptation. i.e. You could have changed Atero but instead you banned him. But like I said it was your decision to make and not mine. I'm going to stop being bitter about it now and get on with other things like 'Jheriko - Pack VIII'.

No, you've made a false assumption. Atero wasn't banned by me. I didn't make that decision. I didn't have _anything_ to do it the second time round, either. Prior to that, I asked him to change and I invited him and everyone else to enlighten me about how this forum should be run. Go check every post I've made here in the last three for four days and tell me otherwise. What more could I have done?

-=Gonzotek=-

Gonzotek you`re OK.You post here and you even try to do AVS.Rocker come one post smth...

I do think that this was an extreme change, but Atero did not handle the change well and did some things that were unexcusable - especially the pwntero thing.

Okay, apology to you then Gonzotek.

p.s. if you want any help with avs, particularly the maths side of things, feel free to mail me - jheriko@ntlworld.com

Originally posted by Gonzotek
No, you've made a false assumption. Atero wasn't banned by me. I didn't make that decision.

that makes me feel better 🙂
(no sarcasm intended)

Atero was being a punk, he deserved it . . . moving on.

Originally posted by NemoOrange
Atero was being a punk, he deserved it

I just thought what Atero would have said to that if he'd still be here...

Damn, take a week off and things go nuts around here. Too bad 'bout the banning, but if things kept up it was bound to happen to someone. We lost a good, though hot tempered member. Hopefully it won't happen again. Cheers to mods, new and old.

I think his banning was needed,
He was runing rampant, We need something like this to sort out any fag who wants to look important by messing with another persons fun. To hell with the FAQ... I really couldnt care. Just be courteous and polite and people should help others, cant we just be logical. If I came up on the street and asked you for help would you just spit in my face with things like this... hell no, im over 6ft tall and I bodybuild for over an hour a day. If you wouldnt say it to their face. Dont say it at all. A motto you should live by... I do!
And im all the better for it.
Would 14 Year old Stuart Raven go off and 30+ year old peers... no.
The internet does not turn a NERD into a BARBARIAN.
Please, Keep your fucking manners.

I hope you read all of that,
CAUSE ITLL HELP YOU.

Nice said, Ches. I've nothing to add.

Okay, here is a counter example. Where I work there is a sign on a door saying 'Press button to open door', ironically it is in large red letters. When I first started there if someone asked 'How do I open the door' I was polite and explained about the button. After working at the same place for the past five months I am now completely sick and tired of telling new employees how to open the door, due to the high turnover of staff at my workplace this question comes up a lot. Now if someone asks me there is at least a 50% chance that I will explain to them in 'clear' language exactly how blind they must be to not see the clearly printed white and red eye-level sign which is placed on the door which tells them exactly how to open it.

Dealing with stupid questions continually gets frustrating.

Then again I find stupid people tiresome in general.

eg: the steaming turd AOL chatroom GD has become.
I agree with both of you but a simple "search the forums" will do.