UnConeD

28th September 2001 22:49 UTC

"Janne Manne" - Bad voting
I just noticed a 2-star vote on my otherwise 5-star preset pack (Whacko AVS II). I don't mean to boast, but rather bring out a twisted person, "Janne Manne", who's been voting "From Arse: These are pretty crappy presets" on a lot of the 5-stars packs on winamp.com.

His account will probably not be disabled under the guise of 'free speech', but his messages are abusing the rating system. Its purpose is to bring feedback to the authors and get an automatic mass-rating (which is always better than a simple one-man jury). His messages do neither, because he targets anything highly rated, votes with a hollow comment and a bad rating. Maybe he's just another one of those people who want to see their own crappy presets at the top?

Janne Manne: No offense, but you don't learn good AVS skills overnight, and things like this will only get others mad, erasing any hope of getting your stuff rated highly. Instead of being so chicken, just post your stuff and see how it gets voted.

ParaNoya

29th September 2001 00:23 UTC

I totallly agree
I totallly agree with UCD (UnConeD) here, something must be changed to the rating system here at winamp. It seems that any lame person here can kick you out of the 5 star just by adding a stupid comment. If I myself don't like a pack I just don't rate it anymore, because it's of no use rating it, since I might not like but I'm sure there must be someone outhere liking it and now the only result is that this bad rate only discouraged UCD to keep making these beeautiful packs. So when I should give it a low rating it would disappear from the five stars and some people who would love this pack would never have get the chance to see it. But I see there are still these stupid people who still keep giving low ratings to AVS or any other kind of plugin, while this stuff is infact art, and art is subjective to anyone, if you don't like it doesn't mean the whole world should not see it, because there are much people who WILL like it. I know that it's useless for me to type this, since there will always be people who don't get the point. But if you encounter one of those feel free to copy this reply or tell them what I try to tell everybody here.
Last ting I'll say about this is: It's better to not rate then to give a bad rating.

rradikal

29th September 2001 02:42 UTC

hey ppl!

i have to say we've got freedom of speech - the public vote system
was made for everyone to express what they want.
it's subjective - maybe there are ppl who don't like UCD's presets.
we don't understand them and have right to have different opinion. -
so let's express it in voting. there are truckloads of ppl voting
so one man can't make much mess i guess.

and other thing: is it really so important to have those 5 stars?
i'm pretty sure that UCD knows exactly how much his presets are worth.
we showed how much we are amazed by his work and i guess such feedback
from ppl who are deep into avs is more important than any "lamaz" opionion ...

ur presets are gr8 UCD, don't worry about the stars ...

:)

flatmatt

29th September 2001 05:05 UTC

If this person really has caused extensive damage, we can remove their reviews... I'll put them on a list for the next time we purge bad reviews.

[edit]okay, yeah, looks like they've hit enough packs to qualify for removal. reported.[/edit]

[edit again]ah, see, these ratings may have gotten one of my packs among the top 20, yet i still reported it--aren't i nice? :p[/edit again]

UnConeD

29th September 2001 10:32 UTC

Not against low-ratings
I'm not against people voting lowly on my presets, as long as they have a solid reason and express it in their comments. This person simply copies the same message each time, so I don't consider it to be a seriously intended post.

rradikal

30th September 2001 17:09 UTC

> This person simply copies the same message each time, so I don't
> consider it to be a seriously intended post

well, this changes a lot ...
repeating the same stuff doesn't seem to be right judging ...
so i'm gonna go and fix ur ratings :) - i'll vote for the 1st time in
my life!

fish

30th September 2001 17:36 UTC

Janne Manne = just another brick in the wall of the winamp.com skins rebel force. :)


I've got a list of about a hundred people like that on the list sitting next to me, but i haven't updated it in weeks so it's surely to be even more.

Doggy Dog

1st October 2001 16:30 UTC

Ughhhh, happened to me too, check out the link in the sig...... I think my review says it all....

flatmatt

3rd October 2001 20:15 UTC

Do any of the skin mods know about this list, phish?

Antzas AVS

5th October 2001 06:12 UTC

Janne Manne...
Janne Manne sounds like a Finnish name. I dont have a clue why in the Hell HE is so stupid.

I have a Idea for the Winamp Feedback system!

Why cannot i send e-mail to the person who has wrote the Comment in my plugin ??

UnConeD

7th October 2001 00:22 UTC

A Week sounds ok :)
In actual time I usually spend 10 hours in total or so, but spread over a number days. I work on one preset, let it rest a while, work on it again, etc... Never totally satisfied :)

Bekay

7th October 2001 00:30 UTC

hey, you make a Reply to my thread with your own Thread, thats kind of interesting ;)

Bekay

banjoe-john

7th October 2001 07:39 UTC

my mother once told me that if i had nothing nice to say, i should say nothing at all.

Doggy Dog

7th October 2001 16:54 UTC

Almost happened to me once :D:D, can someone lock this thread and copy Unconed's post in the original thread :D.

Bekay

7th October 2001 17:38 UTC

BUT....
Hey, guys!
A Votingsystem doesn't only exist for good votings ... I think, It's OK, when somebody say his honest opinion!!!

But this "Janne Manne"-Person isn't honest :eek: This certain Person gave Whacko AVS II 2Stars and Marcos presets 0Stars ... they are some of the best AVS creators (I think) and the "Janne" votings are really shit!:mad:

Hope, this lamer don't vote for my presets :( (although I want that people rate my Preset Pak, but I dont mean that kind of people...)
Bekay

Doggy Dog

8th October 2001 07:51 UTC

What !?!?!?! This is the wrong thread....... and who renamed this thread !?!?! This thread's name is Janne Manne - bad voting or something, the posts should've been moved to Bekays' thread.

UnConeD

9th October 2001 23:43 UTC

Mix Up
My reply was to the "how long do you spend creating your presets", but something very weird happened so it ended up here. Sorry if it was my fault, but I don't think so :)

Infectious One

15th October 2001 06:22 UTC

"Janne Manne" - Bad voting
maybe the "Poste Subject:" Option changed it?
just a guess

Doggy Dog

17th October 2001 09:52 UTC

Something like that..... Unconed posted a new topic instead of replying, I warned the mods that it has to be moved to the right thread (Bekay's thread), but the mod probably misunderstood and moved it in the wrong thread (Janne Manne - Bad Voting), and what's the funniest thing, they renamed the thread.....

And btw. I know this is probably rude or something, but WHEN are you going to remove Janne Manne's votes !!!!!!!!!!!!!! My pack is on four because of that......

Bekay

17th October 2001 11:12 UTC

Hey Doggy, my Preset Pack is on 3.5 Stars, and that without a "Janna Manne"-Vote!!!!!! ......that makes me really sad ;)

Bekay