The full and emptying answer to new people.

Tuggummi

17th January 2006 12:36 UTC

The full and emptying answer to new people.
This is somekind of a "standard" reply to new people who for some reason miss all of the helpful topics and the search warnings. I think that if this is just copy&pasted as a reply, we could eliminate some of the hostility around here towards new people. If you see a topic by a new member that you know has a answer already in some thread, just simply post this message to them and forget about it. None can acclaim after this that they haven't received any help or have experienced somekind of flaming.
This still might need a bit of work, so if you have any spelling corrections or suggestions, post them. I'll update it as long as i can. To get the "source text" so you don't have to quote this message and edit away this pre-speech, download this text file.

--- Standard AVS Reply ---

You have discovered AVS, that is wonderful, AVS can offer hours of fun and amazement, it is a fun tool to play with and it is a great thing to watch at while you play your favourite music.

However you have asked a AVS related question that has been asked & answered several times before. Here in the AVS forums we respect and value such skills as:

Searching
Simply put: Search before you post, you might have already seen the bold red letters above the posting window, or you might have missed them for some reason, maybe red isn't a striking or alarming color to you. By searching for the answer you're looking for, you will get the answer you want immediately, instead of posting a question that has been posted before and waiting for a reply which usually takes several hours, sometimes even days to get and it might not even be a reply you will appreciate.

Reading the FAQ
If you didn't know, FAQ stands for: Frequently Asked Questions, it simply is a list of questions and answers to questions that over the long period of time have been asked multiple times. Since answering these questions each time they are asked can get boring and time wasting, we prefer usually not to answer them directly, but rather point you to the FAQ, where a pre-written and descriptive answer can be read. The FAQ explains the situation and solution much better than a quick reply by someone else.

Checking out the tutorials
Striving to be an AVS artist? That is wonderful. Have a question about how to make something in AVS? Before you post this question it is recommended and expected by other AVS artists that you read the AVS tutorials enlisted here, before you post your question. The tutorials are a wonderful source created by long time AVS artists to learn the basics and sometimes even the more complex features of AVS. Realize that since this is a hobby for most of us, no one is going to hold your hand and teach you AVS from ground up. Believe it or not, but all of us have learned AVS by ourselves, some of the people who have been AVS artists for years didn't even have these wonderful tutorials at disposal and we had to learn everything by experimenting! You are indeed lucky to have such great resources available to you, use them well and wisely, but most importantly read them before you ask.

Remember these guidelines and you should have no problems in your AVS future. And welcome to the AVS forums :up:

- :winamp: Winamp AVS team

PAK-9

17th January 2006 15:13 UTC

so...

red = condescending
bold = sarcastic
underlined = extra sarcasm

right?

Tuggummi

17th January 2006 15:35 UTC

And here i thought this would reduce the hostility, silly me.

Magic.X

17th January 2006 18:24 UTC

Indeed, i guess this is not a bad idea. Keep this Tug.

BTW: What has happend to this forum while i've been away?
I can remember a time when peopel tryed to be productive in here, there've been some avs contests and cool shit like that. Now as i come back, only few peopel of the old community are still there and all beeing lil' Atero's instead of using this forum in the way they claim they want it to: beeing produktive, exchanging skills and whatnot.

There always were and will be some n00borz, annoying the heck outa you, and even more some dumbasses loggin in on fresh accounts to provoke flaming discussions.

But what the fuck's the matter?

I guess what the REAL annnoying thing is, is the fact that there are more such sensless threads then usefull posts.

What can you do about it? Flame every dumbfucker and waste your time??

What you can do is:
-Post a Standard reply, the above one seems pretty good to me
-Let the thread die, for gods sake, or get it locked asap
-Post MORE usefull stuff in here, so the crap will look minor and will vanish to a tiny dot on the scale

Just my 2 cents, if you care.

If i've gotten a wrong point of view, feel free to enlighten me.

Tuggummi

17th January 2006 18:43 UTC

This was a bad idea, forget about this and let's go bash some n00bs!
http://koti.mbnet.fi/tuggummi/misc/n00bsmasher.jpg

JFASI

17th January 2006 18:48 UTC

Or we could use the standard approach...
http://kyrom.free.fr/Atomic/Nuke.jpg

Magic.X

17th January 2006 18:59 UTC

Originally posted by Tuggummi
This was a bad idea, forget about this and let's go bash some n00bs!

Yeah probably more entertaining.
Good point.
Your turn, next one's all yours.

Boktor

18th January 2006 02:55 UTC

Originally posted by Tuggummi
...
Believe it or not, but all of us have learned AVS by ourselves, some of the people who have been AVS artists for years didn't even have these wonderful tutorials at disposal and we had to learn everything by experimenting!
...[/B]

It seems to work.
But this sentence should be revised. My proposal:

Believe it or not, but all of us have learned AVS by ourselves. Some AVS artist didn't even have these wonderful tutorials at their disposal and had to learn everything from scratch by experimenting!

hornet777

18th January 2006 04:13 UTC

Originally posted by Boktor

Believe it or not, but all of us have learned AVS by ourselves. Some AVS artist didn't even have these wonderful tutorials at their disposal and had to learn everything from scratch by experimenting! [/B]

...and this is why y'all are still admirable despite some occasional jerkiness. <shrugs>

(To the noobs: take this example to heart. The poineers had to figure it out all by themselves!)

Tuggummi

18th January 2006 08:07 UTC

I can't edit the original post anymore, but the text file has been updated with boktor's revision and a changed a couple of words and styling on the first and last paragraph.

It can still be better, so keep em suggestions and fixes coming :)

ASD5A

19th January 2006 18:36 UTC

nice idea...

i guess we really should do contests around here

PAK-9

19th January 2006 18:54 UTC

Originally posted by Tuggummi
It can still be better, so keep em suggestions and fixes coming :)

I have a suggestion, under "Checking out the tutorials" maybe we could change

"Striving to be an AVS artist? That is wonderful."

to

"Striving to be an AVS artist? Good luck, jerk."

How about it? :up: :down:

Tuggummi

19th January 2006 21:24 UTC

How about you keep up with the, uhm... well... you know... updates, which say:

Striving to be an AVS artist? Great! We like new people around here. Have a question about how to make something in AVS? Before you...

etc.

StevenRoy

20th January 2006 01:31 UTC

Ah, a polite standard pre-recorded way to respond to ignorant newbies.

Great idea. We need this.

Now if only we had a polite standard pre-recorded way to respond to PAK-9!

gaekwad2

20th January 2006 02:22 UTC

Originally posted by StevenRoy
Now if only we had a polite standard pre-recorded way to respond to PAK-9!

But, there already is one.

StevenRoy

21st January 2006 05:08 UTC

I'll have to remember that.

When all else fails, use "Duff" as a verb.

Tuggummi

21st January 2006 10:17 UTC

Some minor changes and deleted one "wonderful" world :p
Also i thought it would be easier to make fixes and suggestions if the message would be posted here.
Source-text can be like always, be acquired from here.

<-- Standard AVS new member greeting -->

Hello new and enthusiastic member! You have discovered AVS, that is wonderful. AVS can offer hours of fun and amazement, it is a fun tool to play with and it is a great thing to watch at while you play your favourite music.

However it seems you have asked a AVS related question that has been asked & answered several times before. Here in the AVS forums we respect and value such skills as:

Searching
Simply put: Search before you post, you might have already seen the bold red letters above the posting window, or you might have missed them for some reason, maybe red isn't a striking or alarming color to you. By searching for the answer you're looking for, you will get the answer you want immediately, instead of posting a question that has been posted before and waiting for a reply which usually takes several hours, sometimes even days to get and it might not even be a reply you will appreciate.

Reading the FAQ
If you didn't know, FAQ stands for: Frequently Asked Questions, it simply is a list of questions and answers to questions that over the long period of time have been asked multiple times. Since answering these questions each time they are asked can get boring and time wasting, we prefer usually not to answer them directly, but rather point you to the FAQ, where a pre-written and descriptive answer can be read. The FAQ explains the situation and solution much better than a quick reply by someone else.

Checking out the tutorials
Striving to be an AVS artist? Great! We like new people around here. Have a question about how to make something in AVS? Before you post this question it is recommended and expected by other AVS artists that you read the AVS tutorials enlisted here, before you post your question. The tutorials are a wonderful source created by long time AVS artists to learn the basics and sometimes even the more complex features of AVS. Realize that since this is a hobby for most of us, no one is going to hold your hand and teach you AVS from ground up. Believe it or not, but all of us have learned AVS by ourselves. Some AVS artist didn't even have these tutorials at their disposal and had to learn everything from scratch by experimenting! You are indeed lucky to have such great resources available to you, use them well and wisely, but most importantly read them before you ask.

Remember these guidelines and you should have no problems in your AVS future. And welcome to the AVS forums :up:

- :winamp: Winamp AVS team

Grandchild

21st January 2006 14:54 UTC

My change would be:

...Search before you post, you might have already seen the RED links above the posting window, or you might have missed them for some reason. By searching for the answer...

the paragraph as it is, is making too much fun of the reader/n00b imo.
changes so far are good!

GC

PS:

Originally posted by Tuggummi:
...deleted one "wonderful" world

Tuggummi, you must be in some depressive mood! :p

Tuggummi

21st January 2006 15:13 UTC

Damn 180 minutes goes by fast, i can't edit that previous post anymore :hang:

Originally posted by Grandchild
the paragraph as it is, is making too much fun of the reader/n00b imo.

I guess you're right, but notice that there is only one link, not links ;) I edited that part of the text to be:

Search before you post, you might have already seen the red bold letters and the search link above the posting window, or you might have missed them for some reason.

Good? No?
Text file updated as usual.

Originally posted by Grandchild
Tuggummi, you must be in some depressive mood! :p

Not really, im just a regular destroyer of worlds :p

Grandchild

21st January 2006 20:45 UTC

yep that's better now.

v good idea tuggummi, really!

GC

PS: there are several links, but only one for the search! :bigfatbitchyironicwinkemote:

eheiney

21st January 2006 21:46 UTC

Hello, new and enthusiastic member! You have discovered AVS, that is wonderful! AVS can offer hours of fun and amazement; it is a fun tool to play with and it is a great thing to watch while you play your favourite music.

However, it seems you have asked a AVS related question that has been asked and answered several times before. Here in the AVS forums we respect and value such skills as:

- Searching
Simply put: Search before you post. You might have already seen the red bold letters and the search link above the posting window, or you might have missed them for some reason. By searching for the answer you're looking for, you will get the answer you want immediately, instead of posting a question that has been posted before and waiting for a reply which usually takes several hours, sometimes even days to get, and it might not even be a reply you will appreciate.

- Reading the FAQ
If you didn't know, FAQ stands for: Frequently Asked Questions. It simply is a list of questions and answers to questions that over the long period of time have been asked multiple times. Since answering these questions each time they are asked can become boring, as well as time wasting, we prefer usually not to answer them directly. Rather, we will point you to the FAQ, where a pre-written and descriptive answer can be read. The FAQ explains the situation and solution much better than a quick reply by someone else.

- Checking out the tutorials
Striving to be an AVS artist? Great! We like new people around here. Have a question about how to make something in AVS? Before you post your question, it is recommended and expected by other AVS artists that you read the AVS tutorials enlisted here, before you post your question. The tutorials are a wonderful source created by long time AVS artists to learn the basics and sometimes even the more complex features of AVS. Realize that since this is a hobby for most of us, no one is going to hold your hand and teach you AVS from ground up. Believe it or not, but all of us have learned AVS by ourselves. No AVS artist ever had these tutorials at their disposal, they had to learn everything from scratch by experimenting! You are indeed lucky to have such great resources available to you. Use them well and wisely, but most importantly read them before you ask.

Remember these guidelines and you should have no problems in your AVS future. Good luck, have fun, and welcome to the AVS forums! :up:

- :winamp: Winamp AVS Team

-------------------------------

That's just my new spin on it. I've added a bit of formatting, removed some that was a little too condescending or sarcastic to me. I also changed a few words around, and fixed up a tiny bit of the grammer. Yay? Nay?

Tuggummi

21st January 2006 22:00 UTC

Just a few quick questions.

AVS can offer hours of fun and amazement; it is a fun tool

Why the ';' ? A error or?

No AVS artist ever had these tutorials

No AVS artist? Certainly they are available now atleast :p

All other fixes and formating is a-okay, great actually :up:

eheiney

21st January 2006 22:18 UTC

I used the semicolon because I read that sentence as two separate clauses, though I may be wrong. Where are the local grammer nazis when you need them?!

The second part is a bit confusing to myself as well. "Some AVS artist didn't even have these tutorials at their disposal..." That confused me too so I tried to make it sound better, but you .... now it makes sense, in mid-typing! Maybe if you changed it back to what it was before, but made it "artists"? I don't know, nevermind. :p

Tuggummi

21st January 2006 22:40 UTC

Heh, it does say artist in the latest revision, that was a mistake, it should be plural. The very first version was: "some of the people who have been AVS artists for years didn't even have..." But then it got changed into "some AVS artists didn't have..." and i guess somewhere along the way typing mistakes were made.

And i have no idea how to even use a semicolon :weird:

eheiney

21st January 2006 23:08 UTC

When in doubt, wiki!

Tuggummi

21st January 2006 23:15 UTC

Sounds smart.

I'll apply the changes tomorrow, now im too tired to work on it (would probably just make more mistakes than fixes :p) need to go to bed.

Tuggummi

22nd January 2006 05:08 UTC

The text file has been updated.

It's basicly identical to denkensiefursich's revision, except this part:

No AVS artist ever had these tutorials at their disposal, they had to learn everything from scratch by experimenting!

Which was reverted to the original form and fixed to:

Some AVS artists didn't even have these tutorials at their disposal and they had to learn everything from scratch by experimenting!

eheiney

22nd January 2006 07:04 UTC

Quote:

PAK-9

28th January 2006 11:54 UTC

I still think the word 'Jerk' doesn't appear half as often as it should.

Tuggummi

28th January 2006 14:33 UTC

Then post your suggestions here! We can all work together to make this thing better! :)

PAK-9

29th January 2006 00:06 UTC

Ok here is my updated suggestion, I feel it is much more rounded and polished now...

Hello, Jerk

It seems you have asked a typical nooby question which isnt really surprising because you are a noob. Noob. Why dont you try:

- Searching
DURRR

- Reading the FAQ
DURRR

- Checking out the tutorials
DURRR

now gtfo my internet :down:

- :winamp: PAK-9

Tuggummi

29th January 2006 12:12 UTC

Hmm, not bad PAK-9, but you should include the links in the titles. Also you might consider using different words than "noob" or gtfo, most people don't understand them. You could replace noob with "inexperienced" or "first timer", gtfo could be replaced by: "go find your answers" and all those DURRR's seem unnecessary, sometimes silence is stronger than mumbling. Also Jerk seems a bit weak of a word, try "stupid" or "idiot", they mean the same, but give a much stronger impression.

Overall, not bad PAK-9, but could use a bit tweaking :up:

Kar-mAVS

12th February 2006 08:04 UTC

THIS IS A JOKE

Edited as a compromise between Pak-9 and everyone else (Joking ;) ):

Hello, new and enthusiastic Jerk! You have discovered AVS, that is Horrible (for us)! AVS can offer hours of fun and amazement, but please put it back where you found it and never speak of it again jerk. We don't want you here.

However, it seems that you (yes you jerk) have asked a AVS related question that has been asked (by Jerks) and answered several times before, jerk. Here in the AVS forums we respect and value such skills as:

- Searching
Simply put: Search before you post n00b. You might have already seen the BIG SHINY RED LETTERS!!!1!!!1! jerk and the search link above the posting window, or you might have missed them because you are a blind Jerk. By searching for the answer you're looking for, you will get the answer you want immediately, instead of posting a question that has been posted before and waiting for a reply which usually takes several hours, sometimes even days to get, and it might (read, almost always) will explain nothing and just address you ass a n00b and bash you.

- Reading the FAQ
If (n00b) you don't know, FAQ stands for: Frequently Asked Questions. It's a list of questions and answers to questions That have been asked frequently (DURRRR). Since answering these questions each time they are asked can become boring, as well as time wasting, we prefer usually not to answer them directly. Rather, we will call you a n00b and laugh at you. Anyway jerk, The FAQ explains the situation and solution much better than a quick reply by someone else, so use it Jerk.

- Checking out the tutorials
Striving to be an AVS artist? NOOOOOOO!!!! We hate n00bs on OUR internet. Have a question about how to make something in AVS? Read the AVS tutorials here, Jerk, before you GTFO our internet. The tutorials are a useful source created by long time N00b bashers so that they don't have t speak to you. Realize n00b, that since this is a hobby for most of us, no one is going to hold your hand and teach you from the ground up jerk. Believe it or not, but you suck, and almost all of us have learned AVS by ourselves. Most AVS artists didn't even have these tutorials and had to learn everything from scratch by experimenting! You are indeed lucky to have such great resources available to you. Use them well and wisely, or you will be call a n00b for all your days, but even more importantly, read them, and never ask.

Ignore these guideline and you shall have nightmares about panda's, fires, Spiky Baseball Bats, and Nuclear war. And if you do, don't ask us for help N00b.(or the dreams will become more frequent) :down:

- :winamp: Winamp AVS Team

Like it Pak-9?

PAK-9

12th February 2006 14:12 UTC

I love it :up:

Rovastar

12th February 2006 15:13 UTC

Ok I made a new sticky with the useful information contained here.

However having noob-bashing threads (like this one is becoming) doesn't do anything to help a promote a friendly atompsphere that we should try and encourage on this forum.

Nothing more to see here.

*clunk*

Realize that since this is a hobby for most of us, no one is going to hold your hand and teach you AVS from ground up. This should include the word "the" before "ground up". :)

I can't believe I didn't catch that before!
/slaps forehead :p