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^..^

15th June 2005 23:56 UTC

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PAK-9

16th June 2005 01:01 UTC

Thats still too many, I prefer the jury idea, that way its still a surprise for most people.

eheiney

16th June 2005 02:34 UTC

I like ^..^'s jury idea as well, that way the pack would retain high quality presets. But the jury would have to be very well selected, as to avoid discrimination.

Also, to maybe expand on ^..^'s idea a bit: set up the jury of three artists. If two vote for a preset to be put in the pack, it will be submitted.

I agree that there were too many remixes as well. They're fun, but I always like the originals better. I think the same jury should later vote for remixes.

Another thought I just had: We might create the jury of willing artists who won't be contributing to this pack, to further ensure that there is no discrimination. There's a lot of other artists in the community who don't visit these forums as often, or those who wouldn't submit to this pack for various reasons. I'm sure there's at least three other avsers whose judgment we can trust. We could get one "techy" guy, one "arty" guy and maybe even a retired artist who still has some fascination with avs. ;)

Anyway, that's just my two cents...

jheriko

16th June 2005 08:19 UTC

posting here was just a thought, its a shame we dont have a WFC private forum, it would just make doing stuff like this in secret a lot easier.

i sort of expected no one to like the idea... hence my comment at the end of the post.

the jury idea sounds like a good alternative.

on the subject of remixes. i think less is more about 50% the original number of presets is ideal imo, 150% as a max limit. too many more remixes than presets is excessive. it might be nice if we remixed some of the previous wfc presets... or maybe even random presets by wfc artists for some variation. the less of the same preset you see in a pack the better :)

mysterious_w

16th June 2005 08:32 UTC

I reckon we should have free remixing, and we select the best from each person, as otheriwse if we have 10 remixes it might be 3 tugg, 3 pak-9, 3 jheriko and 1 for the rest of us to squabble over.

^..^

16th June 2005 18:10 UTC

1) i like denkensiefursich's suggestion to ask artists who do not participate at all to do the jury-job! That way really no one knows the result before it's released.

2) I appreciate your idea jheriko! But is there any chance to set up a private forum or something else actually? Where we could discuss all those fundamental things bout the pack?

3) The suggestion mysterious_w made is also ok. But we should also ensure that not unconditionaly one preset and remix from every participant is added to the pack, just because he wants to contribute. Cause then we'd skip the quality control we wanted to have. But at least we can keep an eye on versatility of artists.

Tuggummi

16th June 2005 19:55 UTC

Maybe if there were more than 3 jury members then the jury could participate also. For example if we had 4 jury members and if jury member A makes a preset and atleast 2 of the 3 left over jury members agree of it's quality it's accepted.

Well something like that, i'll leave the refining of the idea to you because im tired and i need to go to bed :p

jheriko

16th June 2005 21:34 UTC

to be honest i wouldnt mind completely dodging the remix phase again, that should help keep the number of remixes down. :)

as regards to the private forum, why not just discuss it more on #avs. several of us go there already, and we already give each other feedback and help.

Tuggummi

17th June 2005 13:14 UTC

Okay I know when im not wanted.

Warrior of the Light

20th June 2005 00:11 UTC

Forum's up.. I may still change some things, but for now it's up. I'm off to bed as it's 1 AM here.

Post away, don't forget to register

Edit:
o yeah, I forgot: a link would be nice too :o
Just go there via www.Warrior-of-the-Light.net.tc

^..^

23rd June 2005 14:47 UTC

meanwhile WotL's forum has left infancy and become a tidy place to chat. So why not join it so that we can discuss all further details about WFC3 there?!

Now that WotL spent the last two nights to get that forum online we should use that friendly offer imho! Not only because we'll have a lot more privacy there. ;)

Warrior of the Light

23rd June 2005 14:52 UTC

you're all welcome..

just know that I do not intend to vote over important decisions just yet as a lot of people are on holiday..

But any ideas/opinions are always welcome there.

^..^

23rd June 2005 14:58 UTC

hmm, no votes. so the pack won't be released before early fall anyhow?! That'll be alright for me.

But still, there are a couple of things to be clarified. So come one folks! :)

Tuggummi

23rd June 2005 16:53 UTC

I can't be bothered to join wotl's forum (im too lazy), just tell me when to start making presets (i need 1 week).

^..^

23rd June 2005 17:26 UTC

so you don't want to have any influence on the way we'll do the quality selection? And also you don't care about who will judge your presets?
Well, then you won't mind pak to be one of the jurors, right?

:p

Tuggummi

23rd June 2005 18:26 UTC

I have no problem with that, PAK's a bitch at me yes, but he's still a lot more fair than many other people.

^..^

23rd June 2005 21:31 UTC

ok, but still we have to vote how we want to proceed this time. and if we chose the jury-idea we also have to elect their members.

So, i vote for the jury idea with 3-4 jurors.
And as such i suggest the established artists (in alphabetical order):

Jheriko
PAK-9
Tuggummi
WotL

again, these are just my suggestions. So feel free to ditch it if you don't agree!

Warrior of the Light

23rd June 2005 22:21 UTC

Originally posted by Tuggummi
I can't be bothered to join wotl's forum (im too lazy), just tell me when to start making presets (i need 1 week).

As far as I'm concerned we start late August,
but I'd like to know what your (<- aimed at everyone) opinions are about the amount of presets/remixes, which ones to remix etc..

IMHO it's just too much too keep in one thread and to split them out in the root of AVS will make it messy, so that's basically why I set up a seperate forum

PAK-9

23rd June 2005 23:18 UTC

I'd say:

Presets: Max 2 per person
Remixes: People can make as many as they want (and whomever they want) but the jury will just pick the best 'n' (where n is 30-50% the total number of original presets)

^..^

23rd June 2005 23:28 UTC

Sounds good to me, but how do we keep crap presets (not remixes) from the pack then?

anyway i also suggest to continue in WotL's forum

Warrior of the Light

24th June 2005 01:24 UTC

will you stop spamming my forum? he knows where to find it.

^..^

24th June 2005 10:27 UTC

sorry :hang:
didn't think about that... hope you won't be that angry with me. I really meant no harm!

Tuggummi

24th June 2005 14:05 UTC

I only want to see more originals than remixes this time around, how the remixing choices etc. happen I don't really have a opinion about... Id like to choose, but i want to be surprised by the final also, though if im going to be one of the jurors that's unlikely to happen... though cookie it's hard to find a solution for this that will please everyone so someone just needs to draw the lines straight, liked it or not.

mysterious_w

24th June 2005 23:54 UTC

would you be opposed to an absolutely huge pack of 90 presets or somthing (50 originals and 40 remixes) if they were all of at least fair quality, or does a line have to be drawn somewhere?

PAK-9

25th June 2005 01:20 UTC

I would be opposed, because 90 presets would be comprimising quality

Mr_Nudge

25th June 2005 06:28 UTC

how about...2 presets from each authour. 1 (being their most suitable) is send to someone for remixing.

Tuggummi

25th June 2005 10:28 UTC

And who decides what suitable for whom? :igor:

^..^

25th June 2005 11:55 UTC

that's the problem actually. One the one hand people would like to decide which presets they recieve for remixing, but on the other hand they want to be surpirsed by the final pack.

anyway, i for my part liked the way we proceeded with remixes last time: i just got a little bunch of presets and decided which of them i wanted to remix.

But nevertheless, if someone doesn't want to get eg. too tech-heavy presets etc. for remixing he can tell it (to Mr.X/ or the Jury/ or only post it) so that he'll only get presets of a certain kind.

eheiney

26th June 2005 00:40 UTC

I agree with ^..^ on that one; the way we proceeded the last tmie suited me just fine.

But I also agree that some sort of presets are harder for some to remix. We all know each other's styles pretty well, and it's not very hard to distinguish what style of presets someone would prefer to remix.

I don't know if WotL took that into consideration the last time, but it seemed so to me.

Warrior of the Light

27th June 2005 11:34 UTC

Originally posted by denkensiefursic
I don't know if WotL took that into consideration the last time, but it seemed so to me.

In WFC1 I checked who would be capable of remixing who..
in WFC2 I did it alphabetical because people complained about the method used in WFC1.

say there are 4 artists:
A
B
C
D

A was given the presets from B and D;
B was given the presets from A and C;
etc.

[Ishan]

12th July 2005 06:27 UTC

um... is it too late for me to join in? My computer screwed up...but now i've got myself a new machine. I'll be happy to be counted in.

Warrior of the Light

12th July 2005 11:05 UTC

not too late at all
we've not even started.

As far as I'm concerned we start late August. (as said above)

For specific info/your opinion, check the forum on my website.

^..^

12th July 2005 14:59 UTC

Late august will be fine for me too! Though i most probably wont have much time then.

But i'll just start to make presets a week later (or earlier) then!

[Ishan]

13th July 2005 17:23 UTC

ok then. I'm in. :)

Shylent

1st August 2005 19:08 UTC

Can I submit my stuff as well?

Warrior of the Light

1st August 2005 20:14 UTC

As far as I'm concerned, sure.

JaVS_v2.5

2nd August 2005 03:23 UTC

may i join??

Warrior of the Light

2nd August 2005 19:59 UTC

Every member of this forum is welcome to.

Just know that if there are too many submissions, we'll have to cut the worst ones off.
I'm not saying that your work sucks in any way, but keep in mind that there will be a limited amount of presets in the final release.

Read more about how this will work on my forum.

Tuggummi

2nd August 2005 20:43 UTC

"Im not saying that your work sucks and im not saying that it doesn't, but it does."

lmao :blah:

Warrior of the Light

2nd August 2005 20:48 UTC

I tried avoiding sounding like that.
I just don't know his stuff that well. That's all.

All I'm saying (and meaning) is (also due to a rise in the amount of participants) that there will be a limit of the amout of presets. Read the above for this too.

This isn't visbot100

JaVS_v2.5

3rd August 2005 07:47 UTC

ya.. i know that!

this isn't visbot100

PAK-9

3rd August 2005 15:07 UTC

yes

this isn't visbot100

o_O

Tuggummi

3rd August 2005 16:03 UTC

this isn't visbot100

this isn't visbot100

this isn't visbot100

Polly wants a cracker!

^..^

3rd August 2005 16:38 UTC

use cracker with Polly the parrot... :weird:

Warrior of the Light

3rd August 2005 18:40 UTC

Blowing a parrot up with a firecracker?

Guys, you are one weird source for inspiration for presets.. :D

On second thought, let's not do it. I don't think it would look cool.
AVS wasn't meant to show red meat. UCD's speleology preset taught me that *very* well.

Tuggummi

3rd August 2005 19:42 UTC

Originally posted by Warrior of the Light
AVS wasn't meant to show red meat. UCD's speleology preset taught me that *very* well.

Guess who gave him the idea? ;)

hint: me me me me me me me
:D

Warrior of the Light

3rd August 2005 20:22 UTC

Eeerm... Shabaviz?

MaTTFURY

4th August 2005 07:28 UTC

hehehehehehe :p (@UnConeD's Speology)

eheiney

11th August 2005 17:29 UTC

Status check, anyone?

I've got one preset that's about 90% done. All I need to do is find a cheaper(fps) way to achieve the color effects. The other preset I'm working on is still in its eariler stages, about 25% done.

I know we weren't going to 'officially' start until the end of the month, but I wanted to get a head start... plus I wouldn't have had any time later on, ie: school, work.

Warrior of the Light

1st September 2005 20:51 UTC

September hath begun!

The holidays are over, so I suppose everybody is back, and in some way able to read this..
You now have one month to email me your latest presets.

Also, we use this month to discuss how we will make WFC3 a succes for everyone.

About the judging theory that has been discussed, I suggest we wait with that until we're sure that we will have too many presets and mixes to form a good pack.
I'll keep you informed of who submited how many presets on my forum. (I can't edit my posts here after +2hours)

Want to join? Just mail (no more than) two of your latest presets to my gmail address.
Restrictions: you have to be a member on this board.

UnConeD

3rd September 2005 22:00 UTC

Speleology is nothing without the wonderful companion preset though: Ametytto (sp?).

eheiney

3rd September 2005 23:48 UTC

Ammetytto is even worse. At least with Speleology, you can look away for the first few seconds and then it's just a cool lookin' remix... that is, if only you hadn't seen the picture.

Tuggummi

4th September 2005 08:26 UTC

Originally posted by denkensiefursic
...that is, if only you hadn't seen the picture.

Good luck at trying to find one :p

And what's wrong with AmmeTytto? :D I know the splash effects aren't that realistic, but i think they serve their purpose ok :igor:

^..^

13th September 2005 15:58 UTC

Hope it's ok if i only contribute one preset?!
As long as i remember correctly, we said everyone should at least submit two presets, but i just don't have enough time to make two.

If it's all right, i'm going to send it to WotL as soon as it's finished....

Warrior of the Light

13th September 2005 18:29 UTC

Originally posted by Warrior of the Light
Want to join? Just mail (no more than) two of your latest presets to my gmail address.

I hate quoting myself...

Btw, welcome back, ^..^

PAK-9

13th September 2005 19:19 UTC

whats the deadline? I forgot.

^..^

13th September 2005 20:50 UTC

i have end of september as a dedline in my mind. i'm not quite sure but i don't think it will be before that date. WotL should confirm that...

Originally posted by Warrior of the Light
Quote:

I hate quoting myself...

Btw, welcome back, ^..^
Originally posted by Warrior of the Light
Want to join? Just mail (no more than) two of your latest presets to my gmail address.
Thanks WotL, now im quite relieved! Anyway, i'm glad i could find the time to do some AVS-stuff again!

Warrior of the Light

14th September 2005 22:05 UTC

End of the month.

eheiney

15th September 2005 01:13 UTC

Well so how is one this working now, did we decide? What happens when all the originals have been submitted? Were you going to submit them to your forum, WotL, for discussion and remixing? Will voting be taking place?

Warrior of the Light

15th September 2005 22:44 UTC

Voting will only take place if the amount of presets gets too large (which I'm hoping :p).
I'm thinking about a maximum of 30 presets in total. (Discussion goes here)

About the remixing.. I think the way we did WFC2 went rather well - every artist receives the presets (2+2=~4) from two other random artists and submits the best remixes.
If several people are only able to submit only one preset (losers ;p), then perhaps it should be done per three artists (1+2+1=~4). Other ideas are of course welcome. (please post them as a seperate thread on the other forum)

If there are too many presets, then we should indeed have some voting system. I'm not sure yet how that will happen, but I prefer to wait with thinking about that until the first deadline - then we'll know the amount of originals, and if that's lower than that of the previous compilations, then there'll be most likely no need to trim it down. If it's bigger, then we still have the second month to decide how to cut which one out.

But as long as it isn't necessary, I don't want to remove stuff.
I know I really wouldn't like it if someone chose to remove my stuff from a pack, and I guess it's the same for you guys.

But if we need to, we need to. (yea, I'm stating the obvious, I know)

Mr_Nudge

16th September 2005 16:36 UTC

i got one preset in..i hope i can get a second one in soon! how many entries so far wotl?

Warrior of the Light

16th September 2005 16:46 UTC

Only 3, so there's plenty room for more

Mr_Nudge

16th September 2005 16:58 UTC

wow..i hope it picks up soon. i'll make another soon i hope and then i'll be getting started on V8

Mr_Nudge

17th September 2005 12:13 UTC

yeah.. i got another, it's not much, but it will do. i can't make anything else i have nothing going on in the way of creativity/inspiration. i just have this urge to write lots and lots and lot of meaningless crap. okay i'll stop now.

StevenRoy

19th September 2005 21:52 UTC

Count me in!

jheriko

25th September 2005 02:58 UTC

the likelyhood of me producing a preset is approaching zero i'm afraid.. :/

sorry guys.

eheiney

25th September 2005 03:45 UTC

it almost even seems the likelyhood of wfc3 being released is approaching zero.

less than one week left and we only have 3 presets? and two of them are mine! :(

StevenRoy

25th September 2005 09:09 UTC

That we know of. I've sent in my two. For all we know, several others may have submitted presets too, and it just hasn't been reflected yet in the official count on WotL's forum.

^..^

25th September 2005 13:13 UTC

I also got one preset ready that i'm definitely going to submit. But since the deadline isn't over yet i wanted to wait if i could finish a second one and submit two presets!

Tuggummi

25th September 2005 14:22 UTC

Uhm, so i need to get cracking up now?

^..^

25th September 2005 14:56 UTC

No, not really.
Wasn't supposed to amaze you in any way, but just as a short general info.

Tuggummi

25th September 2005 17:47 UTC

Durrr.... I meant that i should start making presets, because of the deadline closing up really fast and all :igor:

Warrior of the Light

25th September 2005 18:13 UTC

sorry for the delay.
status now: 6 presets from 3 artists, excluding mine

^..^

25th September 2005 20:44 UTC

sorry tug, i must've misunderstood your post then... :tinfoil:

eheiney

26th September 2005 00:45 UTC

So, get crackin' you guys!

...fucking slackers

:p

Warrior of the Light

4th October 2005 21:59 UTC

okay, here goes:

status after the first deadline
Today is October 4th, a few days after the deadline.
I received 9 presets from 5 different artists, +two from me and a remix from a previous compilaton.
That's 11 presets that can be put up for remixing.

Artists who have submitted their preset(s)
^..^
MrNudge
Boktor
StevenRoy
Denkensiefursich
Tuggummi
Warrior of the Light

Again, every artist recieves the presets from two other participating artists, meaning that everyone has about four presets to remix.

It's really a slim number of original presets, but if everyone submits two remixes, there'll be enough for a pack.

Tuggummi

4th October 2005 22:28 UTC

So what do you plan on setting the remix deadline for? End of this month? Or just a couple of weeks?

StevenRoy

4th October 2005 22:48 UTC

Yeah, that does sound rather slim.

Seems to me like it might be necessary (or at least a good idea) to extend that deadline by a week or two, in case some of the others here just need a little more time to get their presets ready and sent in. (After all, I'm sure we all know how much a person can be delayed by homework... or, even worse, work!)

^..^

4th October 2005 22:51 UTC

@Tug: Didn't you get a mail from WotL yet?
To me he said that the next deadline shall be the 31th of October (which is rather short for me atm, but i will just try my best). Well, we'll see then.

Anyway, what shall we do if someone else wants to contribute some presets after now? (I doubt that, but it still might happen...)

Warrior of the Light

4th October 2005 23:13 UTC

I've noticed the last two compilations that 98% of all submissions are submitted either within the first week or within five days before the deadline. A longer deadline makes artists lazy. Take pak-9 here for example (not a personal attack). First he forgets the deadline, later he also forgets to submit presets. Again, this is just an example, not a personal attack.

The next deadline will be the October 31st, 23:59 unless someone can give me a good explanation of how this extra time would be used/needed.
Think for yourself, not for others.

New submissions will be too late and will not be included, as the presets have already been shared.
I've waited 3 more days before spreading the presets only to give these people a chance.

PAK-9

5th October 2005 00:48 UTC

Just for the record I didnt forget, I just... didnt do any :|

No time/inclination/inspiration/whatever, sorry.

StevenRoy

5th October 2005 08:28 UTC

Fair enough.

...On to the remixing!

Tuggummi

5th October 2005 09:42 UTC

At the time i asked that question i hadn't checked my mail :p
But anyway, it's now all clear to me, clear as vodka!

To the remixmobile!

^..^

5th October 2005 11:19 UTC

hehe :D

Anyway, the deadline shall be fine for me too!

btw: What about the much dicussed voting to limit the packsize? I mean, since there most probably won't be so many presets in the end we don't really need that, or what do you say?

Warrior of the Light

5th October 2005 12:30 UTC

My thoughts:
If there are too many remixes after the next deadine, then I'll email the remixes to the participants vor voting within a specified short time (week?).

But then, my thoughts are worth just as much as anyone elses on this.

^..^

5th October 2005 12:42 UTC

I find that pretty funny: we were discussing about this thing during the whole summer, and in the end we might won't need it! :D

Anyway, im feeling that i was a bit too fast on this. Probably we should better wait until we know how many remixes there are. But if we'll need something to shrink the size i'd also say: let's make it as simple as possible.

qforce2

5th October 2005 19:53 UTC

If you still need presets, I can provide one. It's a remix that didn't make it into my pack, because it looked too similar to the original. However I think it's good enough and I just don't know what to do with it. I'd be grateful if you can find any use for it.
If you're interested, tell me where to submit.

Tuggummi

5th October 2005 19:59 UTC

Originally posted by Warrior of the Light
New submissions will be too late and will not be included, as the presets have already been shared.

Not to be mean or anything, but i hope WotL sticks to this, even if pak-9 makes jetwash II on october 29th. It's just not fair or courteous towards the people who did make it to the deadline.

qforce2

6th October 2005 12:06 UTC

Alright, I accept that :up:

Raz

6th October 2005 16:42 UTC

Not seen any of these before now. Not got the time to avs much anymore but i've got a single preset if you want it for this.

Warrior of the Light

6th October 2005 17:47 UTC

Raz! Great to see you back here..

@Qforce, Raz:
Well, there is no way that you two can participate in the remixing part, that's for sure.
Also, I feel I would offend you and the others if I said I'd put them in as 'filler' if there wouldn't be enough presets.

@Everyone:
How about it if we'd put them up vor voting together with all other presets/remixes?

^..^

6th October 2005 19:06 UTC

Nah, i personnaly don't like that idea. Actually we had a deadline and it's unfair if we accept later submitted presets (i think tug already found the fitting words for this...). Besides, we discussed about the voting as an idea to limit down the packsize so why shall we vote when we need "filler"-presets?

StevenRoy

6th October 2005 21:55 UTC

Suppose we do this in two stages: First, one group (the on-time group) submits our presets (like we already did) and then remix each other's presets (like we're currently doing)... and then the second group (the latecomers) can submit their presets during November, then remix each other's presets in December, and then have them left out of the pack anyway because they suck. :D

Raz

6th October 2005 23:38 UTC

All this red tape is giving me a headache.

Tuggummi

7th October 2005 04:46 UTC

So WFC3 will come out, what? Next year?

I don't know about you, but im pretty anxious to get my stuff out :p

Let's just remix what we have here and play by that, no late stuff and maybe we'll get the pack out before christmas season when everyone will be busy anyway.

eheiney

7th October 2005 05:29 UTC

Tuggummi:
Not to be mean or anything, but i hope WotL sticks to this, even if pak-9 makes jetwash II on october 29th. It's just not fair or courteous towards the people who did make it to the deadline.

As with ^..^, I must agree as well.

Raz:
Not got the time to avs much anymore but i've got a single preset if you want it for this.

While I agree with Tug, if all others are reluctant for this to be put in this pack, you should either release it singly... or just send it to me. :D

Tuggummi:
I don't know about you, but im pretty anxious to get my stuff out :p

Yay! I'm not alone. I accidentally let a few earlier versions slip out through a few select mediums.

^..^

7th October 2005 15:18 UTC

I have to second all that too!
Let's try to finish the pack on our own. Either it will be great as ever ;) or it will terribly fail. I think we have to find that out!
Besides, i also can't wait any longer before my stuff gets out! :p

Warrior of the Light

7th October 2005 16:20 UTC

Originally posted by ^..^
Let's try to finish the pack on our own.

[yoda]Try not, do[/yoda]

Sorry Raz and Qforce, but it sounds pretty unanimous[sp?] to me that you'd better bring them out as singles, or build a new pack :p

^..^

7th October 2005 16:32 UTC

Originally posted by Warrior of the Light
[yoda]Try not, do[/yoda]

Did i miss anything? :weird:
Or is it just a joke and im too stupid again to get it?

Tuggummi

7th October 2005 18:37 UTC

Goes the original like this: "Try not, do, or do not, there is no try."
Star Wars from, it is :D

^..^

7th October 2005 21:46 UTC

Sorry, im not such a great starwars fan. I have only seen them in German.
Anyway, thanks tu tug i finally got the connection... :D

eheiney

8th October 2005 09:14 UTC

As a big a nerd as I am, I've never even seen star wars. I saw a few bits and pieces here and there, but not enough to understand the quote either. I did know it was from star wars though, cause everyone's heard of yoda. The only other character I know of is that thing that looks like a big bear/dog/gorilla, who just kind of goes something like "Wacghagacha" and that's all he says. :D

Warrior of the Light

9th October 2005 14:00 UTC

yea, shame on me for not checking the official line.
Tugg, you're right again :hang:

Tuggummi

9th October 2005 16:19 UTC

Im always right, and as soon as you succumb to my rightfullness the easier it is for me to devour your soul, erhm, i mean easier for you to accept my total and utter domination on the world

...

Damn, i did it again, didn't i? :hang:

Tuggummi

14th October 2005 11:22 UTC

Just occured to me, is anyone making a intro? Or is there one even planned to be?

Warrior of the Light

14th October 2005 13:28 UTC

StevenRoy has also offered this (on my forum). But if you feel like you can beat him, go ahead. Or, better, team up.

Tuggummi

14th October 2005 17:47 UTC

Nah, i don't want to compete anyone, if he wants to do it, then he can go ahead :)
I was just offering in case none was planned or no one hadn't volunteered.

Tuggummi

31st October 2005 16:57 UTC

It's the last day of October! (well atleast in Finland...)

What's the status? Is it good to go? :D

StevenRoy

31st October 2005 19:43 UTC

From here:

Submitted remixes: 6 from 2 artists.
last update: October 27th

Well, I know four of those remixes are mine, and someone else got two sent in... The numbers are probably going to jump, too, in the next update.

What I wonder now is: Who isn't done yet? With only one day left (give or take), it's definitely "crunch time"!

Warrior of the Light

31st October 2005 20:00 UTC

Just have some difficulties with an email from denkensiefursich.
it's the same attachmentloss again as in an earlier compilation I think..
It seems only to occur with this gmail account though..
Boktor (what is it?!) sent his stuff in right after dsfs, but I did get his remixes in without any problems.

copypaste:
Submitted originals: 13 from 7 artists. (final)
Submitted remixes: 11(+1) from 4(+1) artists:
- Tuggummi
- Stevenroy
- Boktor
- Warrior of the Light
- (Denkensiefursich)

last update: October 31st

Also submitted:
1 remix from an earlier compilation.
1 Intro

Tuggummi

31st October 2005 20:02 UTC

Well i guess it harms no one if i say that those other two are my remixes.

I just hope WotL updates in the next 1-2 days or maybe even compiles it if everything comes together, im pretty anxious to see the pack ;)

^..^

31st October 2005 22:53 UTC

Me either! :D

btw: sorry for not contributing any remixes this time. The past weeks (=first weeks of new semester) were pretty strenuous to me. More than i thought they would. :hang:

eheiney

1st November 2005 05:10 UTC

That goes for me too, ^..^. My school work is killing me! I really wish I would have been able to submit more than one remix, but time just wasn't on my side this past month. As it is, I'm not even entirely pleased with the one remix that I have, but it's better than nothing I suppose. :shrug: :sigh: :frown:

Warrior of the Light

1st November 2005 20:25 UTC

Stop bitching all and rather get WFC3

BECAUSE IT'S OUT!

Created with PimpBot2.1.5..
The latest version gave me a [close] button where I wanted the [install] button
The previous beta didn't include the bitmaps (I don't want tuggummi to get mad again, my butt's still hurting from the last time :cry: )

So I went for 2.1.5 with the gvm ape in the zipfile.
Thanks go to Hboy for beta-testing the installer

Let's hope we don't get too many n00bs asking for 'teh missing monkey'..

StevenRoy

1st November 2005 20:49 UTC

Ah, school... my old arch-nemesis...

Yathosho

1st November 2005 20:54 UTC

Originally posted by Warrior of the Light
Created with PimpBot2.1.5..
The latest version gave me a [close] button where I wanted the [install] button

works again, accidently deleted a line :rolleyes:

Warrior of the Light

1st November 2005 21:06 UTC

*sighs much deeper than denkensiefursich*

installer rebuilt and uploaded, works now as far as I can tell.

@all:
Report any bugs you encounter (also if you don't) so that I can safely submit it to wa.com

Tuggummi

1st November 2005 21:14 UTC

Originally posted by Warrior of the Light
(I don't want tuggummi to get mad again, my butt's still hurting from the last time :cry: )

That's right, bitch. That's how it goes down, in Tuggummi's Town :cool:

Though i can't install the damn thing to a empty test folder, so i have no way telling if it's kosher, guess i'll hear it soon enough...

*goes off to write a review*

Must... stay... awake... a... little... longer...

Warrior of the Light

1st November 2005 21:17 UTC

Originally posted by Tuggummi
*goes off to write a review*

you're being addicted again... :p

^..^

1st November 2005 21:36 UTC

Cool! :eek: Great work everbody! :up:

One question though: why did we have all those discussions about preset-ratings and stuff during the whole summer? ;) :p

*me is too tired to write review atm*
so just on thing btw: tug i love your neon spray remix, it's so much better than my original... *envy* :hang:

Now, when do we start with WFC4?! ;)

//edit: hmm, way too many smilies there, don't you think? Must be because i'm so excited again! :D

Tuggummi

1st November 2005 22:40 UTC

Originally posted by ^..^
so just on thing btw: tug i love your neon spray remix, it's so much better than my original... *envy* :hang:

I still like the original more myself, weird :igor:

Let's just say we both rock :blah:

Yes, im pretty tired too... Beddie time for me.

Warrior of the Light

1st November 2005 22:48 UTC

Originally posted by ^..^
Now, when do we start with WFC4?! ;)

I know you were kidding but still: (I hate copypasting text)

PAK-9

1st November 2005 23:24 UTC

Great stuff guys :up:

^..^

2nd November 2005 13:59 UTC

Originally posted by Tuggummi
I still like the original more myself, weird :igor:

Let's just say we both rock :blah:

Weird indeed, but i'll agree... :D

...though you still rock a bit more! ;)

Tuggummi

12th November 2005 17:33 UTC

Btw. has this pack been submited to winamp? I've been checking the AVS category here ever since you posted it on DA and it hasn't yet appeared there, i thought they had the whole review system speeded a while back?

Doggy Dog

14th November 2005 09:26 UTC

Tug, it has, and I reviewed it (you guys prolly won't like the review much, but I was as objective as possible).

Anyway, we have some issues with the database, and it has come to the annoying fact that nothing we've reviewed in the past couple of days, skins or plugins, is on the site. Those issues will probably be fixed on Monday morning, which is kinda now and today, so check in a couple of hours or tomorrow.

JaVS_v2.5

14th November 2005 16:10 UTC

it's late.. damn it!~ :hang:

Tuggummi

14th November 2005 20:53 UTC

A huge, no, enormous disappointment.

Burn him on a stake! :mad:

Nah, just joking, you were just doing your "job" which is ungrateful already as it is. Though i have to say that you did choose of a rather unfair ground to "pick on", because colors are a highly individual thing in my opinion. Other people like blue and other red and believe it or not, but some people even like a "xor coloring" (those weirdoes... :p), it's just the way it is.

But it's easy for me to be diplomatic, since i was not attacked (more like i was spared and all the others were attacked), so i think you should...

RUN!

Run before the others get here!

cyborg010

14th November 2005 21:17 UTC

HOORAY FOR XOR

JFASI

14th November 2005 21:33 UTC

Amen!!!

XOR is great, yet so... bizzare.

Warrior of the Light

14th November 2005 22:03 UTC

Thanks for getting it online to begin with.
I won't flame you for the review, you're absolutely right if you say that the overall quality is lower than WFC2. But then, keep in mind that the toppers are missing and there are a lot of new people.
I say that those people did an outstanding job to prove themselves.

What I did miss in this compilation were mostly the missing remixes. Especially Tugg's preset was a good preset for remixing, but unfortunately noone did.

Personally I'd have prefered it if you had reviewed it as a new pack, and not as one-in-the-line-of, since half of the people are different, but that's just my 2ct

I fully agree with the ratings though.

/added: i usually hate xor

StevenRoy

14th November 2005 23:56 UTC

Me too. There are some cool things that can be done with XOR, but way too many uncool things. (I thought the subtle XOR effect in "The Convicts" was a nice touch, though.)

I also would've liked to see more remixes, but it's not too late; some WFC3 remixes can go in WFC4, for example, right?

I'll also agree that colour is a very subjective thing. For example, I noticed one negative comment on DA specifically about the colours in my "Convection Conviction" remix. I loved those wild "hot and cold" colours, like fireballs in a freezer. Perhaps they were too wild for most people, though? Similarly, I put the framerate limiter in "Apple To My Eye" partially to mimic the limited processor power of the Apple II, but mostly just because I thought it looked better with it than without it. I spent a while on that decision, and I stand by it.

In retrospect, I could've used "Apple To My Eye" as the background for the title. Now that would've been something! (In fact, I probably could do something like that for WFC4, but I've already got another idea...)

Anyway, despite the comments in that review, four stars seems pretty good to me. Still, let's hope next time will be better!

eheiney

15th November 2005 00:51 UTC

Ouch.

I'll agree that this is certainly a fair rating, going so far as to even agreeing that a 4 is a bit high, in respect to the quality of presets. I hope not to add insult to injury, but I personally didn't enjoy it nearly as much as the previous compilations either.

That said, I never thought of this as a pack which would portray the best works in the community, more as a pack which protrayed our individual styles to the greatest extent. We're not going to please everyone, by a long shot. And if you're doing avs for the comments and the praise, you're in it for the wrong reasons. I create presets because I enjoy it. I like working out the problems encountered, as well as being able to express myself through this means as an artform. In that respect, I give this pack a 5, as well as a favorite on deviantART.

Now, in response the XOR comments, if anyone was referring to my preset (if not, ignore this paragraph :p), I thought it added a nice touch for the artistic side of it. I spent a few days trying to keep it real subtle, as I usually hate it as well.

Finally, I agree about some of the color schemes as well, but, as with others, I agree that it's subjective. Again, however, if it pleases the artist, that's what should matter.

Anyway, through all of this, I'm still very much looking forward to WFC4. Let's hope it's a whizbang. ;)

JFASI

15th November 2005 01:03 UTC

Personally, It's a good pack, but it does sort of disappoint. I was expecting to be blown sockless by the visuals and the sheer "How DO they do it?" factor. Granted, I don't plan to release a rival pack anytime soon, but I was expecting more jaws dropping (too good a reputation could be a bad thing).

Originally posted by Warrior of the Light
you have an alternative then how to shrink the ammount of remixes? well, if it's just that: set up a maximum limit for every participant! E.g. two remixes at the most or something...