^..^

13th March 2005 01:51 UTC

Why is AVS going down?
Well, recently we came to the topic that this forum becomes kind of "deserted". Why does this happen and what can we do against it? In my opinion AVS is the most promising visualisation mode winamp provides (concering the futher developement which is kind of broken concering the "no further developement" principle we get to know recently). Not only because of the opportunity to develope new APS's or so, but also because i like the AVS-visualisation idea most of all (just have a look what is possible with this dll).

So im asking, what went wrong? And what can we do to provide this part of the forum from dying out?

S-uper_T-oast

13th March 2005 03:48 UTC

I don't have enough time to understand and make the new things work. To make presets it's taking an increasingly large amount of background knowledge to use these new APE's and other things you refer too. I may like AVS, but I can't make anything in the limited time I have.

Jaak

13th March 2005 10:35 UTC

it's not about new apes

* it's slow and therefor only usuable on small windows... but screen resolutions are getting bigger and bigger every day
* everything simple has already been done, you cant be creative
* everything complicated requires huge ammount of knowledge and creativity
* no hardware support whatsoevery
* avs it not being developed anymore
* it's impossible to do everything with apes

as you sayd that avs is promising... but it will never get any better. in the matter of fact... WE can not do anything to prevent death of avs, it is inevitable. We just need new vis.

Tuggummi

13th March 2005 11:16 UTC

IT'S ALL GOING TO END!!!

^..^

13th March 2005 12:38 UTC

I'm no specialist concerning plugin programming, so im asking: would it be possible to create a new modernized AVS? One that bears the things jaak said? I mean a vis that has kind of hardware support but where you make presets in an editor like avs has? Recently i tried to play with milkdrop (which actually has hardware support) but the editing-menu is too confusing there.

hboy

13th March 2005 13:20 UTC

or if it was like c++ where you write the code yourself, and then if you run the executable it would function as a preset? maybe that would make sense. write the preset, in the avs editor, and when you want, you can try it out simply by starting it.

^..^

13th March 2005 13:30 UTC

would that be possible? I mean the idea sounds interesting and might be a solution! But wouldn't it still need some kind of plugin that can "integrate" them into winamp? Which must be coded at first, but who can do do that?

Yathosho

13th March 2005 13:34 UTC

was tried before and it failed.

shreyas_potnis

13th March 2005 13:56 UTC

it's failing because i left. now i'm coming back and i promise some good eye-candy in a few days :D

^..^

13th March 2005 13:58 UTC

as i thought, sometime it becomes too extensive or the involved people lose their interest... Probably such an "open source projekt" is not practicable for that purpose, perhaps something like this has to be made by professional developers.

/edit: do you mean you can finish it in the next few days??

Warrior of the Light

13th March 2005 14:02 UTC

Shreyas! long time no seen! Welcome back!
I've been missing you..

Funny to see how everybody's slowly returning..
Atero's been around again, Ishan, Jheriko and now you.
I hope these are no pre-mortal spasms.. :cool:

^..^

13th March 2005 14:14 UTC

perhaps we are granted to have our reprieve a bit longer?!

Jaak

13th March 2005 15:41 UTC

Originally posted by ^..^
I'm no specialist concerning plugin programming, so im asking: would it be possible to create a new modernized AVS? I mean a vis that has kind of hardware support but where you make presets in an editor like avs has?

^..^

13th March 2005 16:16 UTC

I hope that there will be a new vis someday that works with code like we know it from avs. Cause im a lazy guy, you know.. ;)
It's a pitty that i wont be able to help much on such a developement, cause i don't have any programming skills apart from avs.

Btw, i want to add some thoughts to relieve the sinking of avs: First i noticed that this part of the vis-forum is the most frequent one compared to the other parts like milkdrop etc. They seem to have a much smaller community and/or are more deserted.
Secondly, jaak you said that avs cannot keep pace with other vis cause of the resolution thing. But while the resolutions grow, the cpu-power also increases. I can't imagine that the resolution-demand increases much faster than the cpu-power. (or did i get you wrong?)

[Ishan]

14th March 2005 08:57 UTC

[offtopic] Cool!! Shreyas is back:D
Welcome back man! [/Offtopic]

As for teh new vis....i'm all up for it as long as its as user friendly as AVS. Altho i cant do anything much to help then jus watch it being made(if it is).

^..^

14th March 2005 12:54 UTC

yeah, same for me too. Although i would like to help i don't have any programming skills. So you are working on it actually shreyas?

PAK-9

14th March 2005 13:42 UTC

I think time is the big issue, most people have real lives and AVS is just a hobby, so that time has to be transposed into making a new visualisation program. I can think of a lot of people with the ability to make an AVS-like visualisation happen (Me, Jheriko, Coned, Tomy, Jaak off the top of my head) its whether or not people can be bothered to take the time.

To be honest its a wider problem with open source projects, lots of talk, not much coding... it happens all the time.

Jaak

14th March 2005 13:42 UTC

like always... everybody want, no one gives

^..^

14th March 2005 13:46 UTC

ok as long as it's not about coding i could help out. But what kind of work has to be done that hasn't got anything to do with coding?

PAK-9

14th March 2005 13:58 UTC

About 0.1%, its all about the coding

so learn c or bog off noob! bwahaha!

^..^

14th March 2005 14:03 UTC

are you sure that someone who just learned c would be a valuable help?

PAK-9

14th March 2005 15:31 UTC

I guess your right, even if you learnt C you would be useless... gah, cant you do ANYTHING?!

^..^

14th March 2005 15:38 UTC

well if you'd care, i just passed a pre-exam today. Go over to the internet-café if you like a free beer on the occasion. ;)

Jaak

14th March 2005 15:57 UTC

Originally posted by ^..^
well if you'd care, i just passed a pre-exam today. Go over to the internet-café if you like a free beer on the occasion. ;)

^..^

14th March 2005 16:19 UTC

sorry wrong subject. Actually i'm studying chemistry.

I just mentioned it, cause i won't stand for that, if pak calls me useless! ;)

PAK-9

14th March 2005 18:01 UTC

So who IS working on fridge?

Jaak

14th March 2005 22:21 UTC

Originally posted by PAK-9
So who IS working on fridge?

TomyLobo

14th March 2005 22:27 UTC

atm i'm writing some preliminary stuff that could maybe be used in the actual fridge, but jaak's always holding me back with his concerns :)

Jaak

14th March 2005 22:38 UTC

Originally posted by TomyLobo
atm i'm writing some preliminary stuff that could maybe be used in the actual fridge, but jaak's always holding me back with his concerns :)

Mr_Nudge

15th March 2005 09:19 UTC

what we need to do is for people with assembly, c, c++ knoledge to all work together and make a brand new avs. mayvbe even a standalone program! if i knew any programing i'd definatly try to help out.

Tuggummi

15th March 2005 10:07 UTC

Oh stop it already. No one wants to hear: "I would gladly help... if i just knew C/C++/assembly/python/goatse/java/html/php/icq/...whatever"

^..^

15th March 2005 11:13 UTC

sorry tug, but can't you see our dilemma? We are very concerned bout avs, perhaps as much as every other of you; we just don't have any skills in programming-languages and so we're doomed to sit there and wait. That's in a similar manner nuisance for you than for us.

btw i have some basical skills at your last listed item ;)

hboy

15th March 2005 13:58 UTC

one question i want to ask: who said AVS will die? that this forum is deserted? we are here, though a small community, we are here and we are interested in AVS. as long as we do that, it wont ever die. and if the forum dies, you will have winamp and AVS with it on your machine installed. i can easily make a new forum anywhere on the net, and use it for AVS purposes, should this forum die. now tell me, why is AVS going down.

PAK-9

15th March 2005 14:08 UTC

AVS is never going to be updated
Tuggummi - Quit
UnConeD - Quit
Yathosho - Quit
etc...

It may sound like a cliche but when it comes to technology, your either moving forwards or your moving backwards... and we aint moving forwards.

[Ishan]

15th March 2005 14:10 UTC

hboy.....i dont think this forum will die ever. But AVS will, this forums will always be open for technical stuff i suppose. But AVS gradully will fade away......

Jaak

15th March 2005 15:00 UTC

Originally posted by Tuggummi
Oh stop it already. No one wants to hear: "I would gladly help... if i just knew C/C++/assembly/python/goatse/java/html/php/icq/...whatever"

PAK-9

15th March 2005 15:03 UTC

You can wrap your goatse around your python for all I care

hboy

15th March 2005 18:54 UTC

and if AVS doesn't improve? who cares? i don't. it was a really fun and good thing to spend a lot of time with, but seriously, is it such a big thing to care about? i don't think so.

anubis2003

15th March 2005 18:54 UTC

Originally posted by WarriorO/TLight
Shreyas! long time no seen! Welcome back!
I've been missing you..

Funny to see how everybody's slowly returning..
Atero's been around again, Ishan, Jheriko and now you.
I hope these are no pre-mortal spasms.. :cool:

Warrior of the Light

15th March 2005 19:43 UTC

But are you still creating presets?

/update: horse-fly just quit too: http://horse-fly.deviantart.com/journal/4815208/

MaTTFURY

16th March 2005 00:55 UTC

why am i still creating presets then? i love the suspense! :p

anubis2003

16th March 2005 05:51 UTC

No I am not creating presets anymore. Too many other things to do, and not enough time to learn new stuff.

^..^

16th March 2005 09:54 UTC

Yeah, that's true: if you want to make new cool/ eyecatching presets today, you must either have a high coding skill or own a trained feeling for style or so.

Warrior of the Light

16th March 2005 10:24 UTC

AVS is art. All you need is the basic coding knowledge and to be a good artist

^..^

16th March 2005 10:58 UTC

yes of course, but what i wanted to say was that the basic coding skills became much more extensive since the beginning/during the last years. I mean the basic coding standard has risen a lot, so you can't impress anyone with a style that has been done 2-3 years ago.

Mr_Nudge

16th March 2005 11:33 UTC

i'll keep making presets until AVS dies completely, hell i don't care that much about what other people think of them, after all, they are just to compliment your music.

^..^

16th March 2005 12:07 UTC

yeah, i'll also keep making presets. It's too much fun to quit it just because the others quit.
Also: AVS is not down jet. So let's get back to work people!!

[Ishan]

16th March 2005 15:04 UTC

well as a matter of fact.....i dont have too much coding skills or technical knowledge. But i make AVS presets? I do it because I like it and i'm a firm believer that AVS presets dont neccesarily need to code heavy......Tugg has proved that in the past. Sometimes good aestheics rule over techincal stuff.


[fontsize=1] i know PAK's gonna flame me for this :p[/fontsize]

^..^

16th March 2005 15:12 UTC

well, actually i don't have great coding skills either but though am making presets.
I just meant that in the beginning of avs you could throw some simple-scopes/rings together and garnish it with a blitter feedback/water or a mirror if you really wanted to be cool to make a nice preset. But today only the fewest people think this is a great preset. Hope now it's clear what i meant at first?!

PAK-9

16th March 2005 18:07 UTC

Isnt it funny how all the people who cant code for shit say "I dont really think coding is that important"

^..^

16th March 2005 19:18 UTC

it's the same with all things you can't do properly:
or are you that concerned about extreme-rope-free-himalaya-climbing?

Tuggummi

16th March 2005 20:59 UTC

Originally posted by PAK-9
Isnt it funny how all the people who cant code for shit say "I dont really think coding is that important"

[Ishan]

17th March 2005 05:40 UTC

ok ok.......so i admit that i cant code :rolleyes: :p but hey i still standby my comment that there still can be good non-technical presets................

but seriously, i think i can do a bit better than just "throw some simple-scopes/rings together and garnish it with a blitter feedback/water or a mirror ":p

^..^

17th March 2005 10:32 UTC

hey i didn't want to offend you ishan!!! Your presets are much better than that. Sorry if you thought that refered to you! Most artists today, make better presets than just throw together some simple stuff.
That example should only show, that the overall standard concerning presets has risen.

Warrior of the Light

17th March 2005 14:23 UTC

update2: P-K just quit too :cry:

PAK-9

17th March 2005 14:26 UTC

The thing is people usually quote Tugg when they talk about good presets without lots of code, but actually most of Tuggs presets have a fair amount of code in them, okay it might be a bit 'creative' but its still higher than the average AVS'rs standard

[Ishan]

17th March 2005 14:42 UTC

ok i understood PAK. no use of arguing now. There are only a few of us left.....and even few (non-retired) of the so called 'Elite' group.
I jus hope AVS drags on a little while more...........

PAK-9

17th March 2005 14:45 UTC

Hey me too, dont get me wrong I wish AVS would become more popular than ever

^..^

17th March 2005 14:54 UTC

However you might see it. I won't quit avs, just because someone says 'hey all presets made from now on have to be extremely code heavy'. That's stupid and contradicts the idea of visuals.

Mr_nudge put it very nicely: 'AVS is to compliment your music'. First of all presets should underline the music people are listening to, then they can be something like a techdemo or something. Of course you should keep an eye on style/art. Cause that "visual" part of your music should be just as great as those songs itself.

If you want to invent new techniques etc. why do you make it in avs? Most other programming languages are much more suitable.

[Ishan]

17th March 2005 14:55 UTC

OMG! i sense feelings in PAK. :weird: :D

but really i wish the same too,AVS deserves more fame definately.

^..^

17th March 2005 15:08 UTC

I guess we all agree concerning that!
Perhaps we should try to provide more help to the basis, i mean to the noobs/newbies? As long as im concerned most noobs that came here during the last weeks haven't been that annoying. So why should we flame on them, when we actually want avs to become more famous?

[Ishan]

17th March 2005 15:18 UTC

yeah. but how much more can we do than FAQ threads, Tutorials threads and the AVS troubleshooting sub-forum? Hell! theres even a Tips and tricks thread. All we want is people to have some common sense and look around a bit before asking quesions. if they look and still dont find help then we can gladly help them out.......Forums have become a safer place now, that Atero's not here.:p

^..^

17th March 2005 15:37 UTC

yeah, that's for sure. Perhaps the community pack will help us becoming more present. After all it's a pack made by a community that shares their interests.
Hmmm i guess we would need more advertising in general then ;)

Jaak

17th March 2005 16:04 UTC

Meh, It`s like arguing on how to ride a pike. No one tells you which is the most correct way of doing it... no one tell you if you should rid like granny, ride like normal person, or like trek driver... or if you should freetyle. Only the ammount of audience gives you rather subtle hint if you`re doing it well... or you simply suck at it.

PAK-9

17th March 2005 16:34 UTC

Seriously if you think we flame noobs in these forums you obviously havent been to many forums before.

Jaak

17th March 2005 16:38 UTC

Originally posted by PAK-9
Seriously if you think we flame noobs in these forums you obviously havent been to many forums before.

^..^

17th March 2005 16:46 UTC

guess our sarcastic friend referd to an earlier post made by me.;)

That flame-thing wasn't an offend anyway. It was more like a general statement: be polite to the new ones if you want a community to grow. I know that we are much more polite to noobs than other forums are.

[Ishan]

18th March 2005 15:16 UTC

well we used to flame people before. Not now though, i guess we have become quite friendly, or maybe our patience levels have gone up.

^..^

18th March 2005 15:58 UTC

actually some special noobs deserved -nearly demanded- to got flamed, if you remember.. ;)
but yes those were the exception.

Tuggummi

18th March 2005 22:51 UTC

Originally posted by ^..^
I know that we are much more polite to noobs than other forums are.

^..^

18th March 2005 23:14 UTC

Dear noobs!

Please be so kind and forgive our usually very nice friend tug this time! Actually he stands under psychological care, but now and then he forgets to take his pills. Then he can become that hateful and condescending as you see it now. The doctor said it has something to do with an oppressed childhood and some other negative experiences concerning interpersonal relations. I hope this helps you to be lenient towards him. Thank you for your patience!

[Ishan]

19th March 2005 05:21 UTC

lol @ ^..^ :D

raytrace a beer bottle? i wonder if i have seen such a preset:p ...............

^..^

19th March 2005 13:01 UTC

haven't seen one either! I'd say it's up to the prosecutor to show one ;)

btw i was just wondering how/if we could get back to the topic, but i guess it has been exhaustively discussed by now :)

Jaak

19th March 2005 13:20 UTC

Originally posted by Tuggummi
What in the world are you smoking?! Gimme some of that!!!

Let this to be a warning/lesson to all newbs, WE HATE YOU! You have no business to visit this forum! Just get out of here as soon as you can! In fact don't even visit this place unless you know how to raytrace a beer bottle!!!

^..^

19th March 2005 13:27 UTC

Ok i want to see that! You have 30 minutes to make such a preset!
Time starts.... now!

PAK-9

19th March 2005 14:42 UTC

A texture mapped triagle model of a beer bottle, now THAT would be interesting it would.

Jaak

19th March 2005 15:36 UTC

Originally posted by PAK-9
A texture mapped triagle model of a beer bottle, now THAT would be interesting it would.

^..^

19th March 2005 16:16 UTC

lol :D
pak, our wise yoda-double ;)

PAK-9

19th March 2005 16:19 UTC

Take a joke you all cannot

^..^

19th March 2005 16:52 UTC

Master! Please teach me to use the AVS-force! So that i can handle the raytraced lightsword!

Warrior of the Light

19th March 2005 23:46 UTC

not a raytraced DM, just a crappy SSC but my name is Luke S. (Luuk, okay), so I just had to do this..

^..^

20th March 2005 00:07 UTC

:D lol
Well done, young skywalker!

[Ishan]

20th March 2005 06:26 UTC

now that i think of it......a raytraced beer bottle would make a cool preset:p along with some flowy thingy like beer in the background :D

^..^

24th March 2005 11:07 UTC

...so the force finally returned and a new hope arose in the dismal wideness of AVS.

[Ishan]

25th March 2005 16:36 UTC

i dunno:confused: i still have to sit and think over an idea for a preset for a loooooong time before i get a decent idea(!= raytraced beer bottle) :p

^..^

25th March 2005 17:21 UTC

Do not lose thy patience, son! Only a frail sprout hitherto awakened upon those dusty plains...

i hope i can stop that swollen speech somehow

[Ishan]

26th March 2005 09:41 UTC

hah. me losing patience ? nah. i have lots of it.



wait.....do i have it really? :confused:

^..^

26th March 2005 13:24 UTC

dunno, i'm not your doc ;)

[Ishan]

26th March 2005 15:28 UTC

well i'm still all up for making presets, I dont ever give up trying :)

^..^

26th March 2005 15:37 UTC

yeah, as long a it's fun to spend your time with making presets you cannot call it impatient!

jheriko

28th March 2005 03:03 UTC

Originally posted by [Ishan]
a raytraced beer bottle would make a cool preset

[Ishan]

28th March 2005 16:19 UTC

;) that was just a guess J. I aint trying that.

Tuggummi

31st March 2005 20:54 UTC

Make a good enough beer bottle and i'll make you a @ at #finnish-flash

:D

^..^

31st March 2005 21:12 UTC

what about sending you a real beer bottle containing real drinkable beer by parcel post?

or two, or three...

mysterious_w

31st March 2005 21:13 UTC

Originally posted by Tuggummi
Make a good enough beer bottle and i'll make you a @ at #finnish-flash

:D

MaTTFURY

1st April 2005 03:44 UTC

" i wish this pc had m/IRC "

^..^

1st April 2005 10:55 UTC

and i wish your posts made sense...

[Ishan]

1st April 2005 15:58 UTC

MattFURY : you dont have mIRC? :weird:
well yeah i guess mostly sensible people have it.

JaY FaTBoY

13th April 2005 15:42 UTC

:cool:
Hello, 'gentlemen', i'm new around here and i know it's a n00bish question, please don't kill me but can you give me some links to documentation, because this coding thing really kills me, won't it be better everyone to put codes somewhere, so we can use them faster?

what about sending you a real beer bottle containing real drinkable beer by parcel post?

Warrior of the Light

13th April 2005 20:37 UTC

Jay! you here!

Welcome back to WA.com..



... you serious? read the stickies

Tuggummi

13th April 2005 21:47 UTC

Jay!
Nice to see ya around :)

But don't try to steal my beer, or i'll gut you up boy!

Scar Da Kookee

14th April 2005 01:11 UTC

even though i should have skimmed the entire thread, although i'm not sure if it was stated or not...




Whats the big deal about higher resolutions requiring more cpu useage?
I mean, with technology with cpu cores and their higher and higher processing speeds, i quote Cartman "Whats the big friken deal bitch!?" :D

JaY FaTBoY

14th April 2005 08:45 UTC

I won't steal it bro... Assuming from the look under the glasses you have moved to a more "herbal" method.
Anyway - my opinion on the topic - tho you have said it pretty much - avs has been the same for years now, the only thing is that i became more of a coding discipline, not that it's bad tho. But nothing else, and when something doesn't change it slowly becomes inatractive to people... And we all might love that 332x227 window the world demands at least 1024 and above. Still out beloved doesn't need the VC /do not confuse with the WC, though it doesn't need it either/ it won't even ask us. Well eyecandy is all about it, fellas ;) We all prefer the pretty women. If AVS is about to change /quite unlikely from the wa developers/ it must change radically and still be easy to use. I mean easy - even for lames like me.

PS I was wondering if people will recognise me :rolleyes: hoped for a flame or two, kidding ofcourse ;) but that date there really confuses me. Thank god i registered late so Tugs comes to be older than me. Hah - dinosaur :p /after two years of hard work i have a lot spared for beer. if ya have a trip to eastern europe i will drown ya in a lake of the same ;)/

PAK-9

14th April 2005 16:13 UTC

Originally posted by Kookee
even though i should have skimmed the entire thread, although i'm not sure if it was stated or not...




Whats the big deal about higher resolutions requiring more cpu useage?
I mean, with technology with cpu cores and their higher and higher processing speeds, i quote Cartman "Whats the big friken deal bitch!?" :D

Tuggummi

14th April 2005 17:01 UTC

Originally posted by JaY FaTBoY
I won't steal it bro... Assuming from the look under the glasses you have moved to a more "herbal" method.

Originally posted by JaY FaTBoY
We all prefer the pretty women.

Originally posted by JaY FaTBoY
lames like me

Originally posted by JaY FaTBoY
Thank god i registered late so Tugs comes to be older than me. Hah - dinosaur :p

Scar Da Kookee

14th April 2005 18:08 UTC

Originally posted by PAK-9
Sorry you have failed the intellegence test for the wa.com avs forums.

TomyLobo

17th April 2005 05:28 UTC

help! how do i unsubscribe this thread?
i didnt even subscribe it but mail about it comes to my mailbox all the time :(

^..^

17th April 2005 11:13 UTC

shouldn't it be possible to unsubscribe by clicking a link in the notification mail you recieve?

Warrior of the Light

17th April 2005 13:50 UTC

Originally posted by TomyLobo
help! how do i unsubscribe this thread?
i didnt even subscribe it but mail about it comes to my mailbox all the time :(

PAK-9

18th April 2005 13:23 UTC

Originally posted by Kookee
...btw: so, whats with that attitude, pak?

Scar Da Kookee

18th April 2005 17:40 UTC

aw, ok. just as long as you werent refering to me as a noob *points at registration dates*, and that you are just bluntly have been turned into a darker version of your former self...





...i understand.. :D

PAK-9

18th April 2005 18:12 UTC

Registration Date != noobness

jheriko

18th April 2005 19:44 UTC

I think what PAK is trying to get across is that it can be directly inferred from your earlier statements that you dont have the required intelligence for his assistance to be of any valuable use. Although you would gain the knowledge you seek you won't actually become any more skilled at anything or anymore intelligent.

Since you are clearly unable to determine the solution to simple problems by yourself, why should you be helped? So that you can bug us with more questions that eat up even more time later?

Here is the solution in slightly simplistic logic, I have a dim hope that you might be able to glean more from this than the answer:

pixels exist and have their colours set using cpu instructions

cpu instructions take time, usually consistent for equivalent instructions

setting the color of a single pixel therefore takes some relatively fixed amount of time, assuming that we use cpu instructions for this

performing any per pixel operation adds an additional amount of time per pixel

any additional computations needed add extra amount of time per frame 't'

resolution is the width in pixels x the height in pixels... i.e. the number of pixels as an unexpanded multiplication.

.: there is a direct relationship between render time and resolution which is independent of the cpu speed. i.e. no matter how fast or slow the cpu speed is this is always a linear proportion. The fact that it is linear means that there exists some constant k such that

render time = k * resolution + t

this may look promising as k decreases as cpu speed increases.. but in reality it means very little since there is still some linear relationship.

what this means is that no matter how fast a cpu becomes (except infintely fast) higher resolutions will always produce slowdown, and the slowdown for a resolution with twice as many pixels will also be twice as big.

also in more advanced renderers the amount of time used by 't' is generally getting smaller and smaller and so the bulk of rendertime becomes tied to this linear relationship.

understand that this isn't a design flaw of these engines, it is because most of the 't' time in a rendering engine is used to calculate (visually) uglier hacks that simulate effects that need to be calculated per pixel to be accurate.

this is just a feature of rendering to a 2 dimensional pixel buffer. it will never change, since the axioms of mathematics and logic need to change first.



also remember google is your friend. and searching the forums too. do you know how many times this question has been asked here?


how much do you like answering questions all the time? when you are intelligent you get very short tempered from a lifetime of being asked stupid questions, you simply become tired of explaining things to people because they are lazy or stupid.

what is also (usually more) annoying is that these people typically make zero effort in solving their own problems and in time come to rely on smarter people helping them as a consequence. which creates a negative feedback loop...

the net result over a large population is that people like this reduce the overall intellectual development of said population. as if that isn't bad enough it gradually leads to a retarding factor due to the fact that people are more likely to pass on this form of stupidity to their children and natural selection will stop favouring the more intelligent (since they are wasting their advantage by sharing it essentially). I could go on for months, short story is:

ignorance = bad

^..^

18th April 2005 20:48 UTC

exactly jheriko! Turned out a bit too long, but exactly what had to be said. I wonder if we can announce it somewhere, so that all ignoramuses read it...

Scar Da Kookee

18th April 2005 23:14 UTC

Originally posted by PAK-9
Registration Date != noobness

jheriko

19th April 2005 01:32 UTC

mostly a noob is someone who asks a silly question, i think

roboBOT

2nd May 2005 22:21 UTC

I can definitely see why AVS is going down. I mean, this is my first post in almost a year. What would save AVS more than anything would be having its own tab on the main winamp.com site. AVS presets are really not plugins, and AVS is released with winamp and was created by winamp developers.

Also, you know how those old console (NES, SNES, SEGA, etc.) use those filter dealies to make low-rez images look good stretched to higher resolutions? Those would be great for AVS. If only there was a way to put them in.

Anyways, if AVS dies, I'll at least poke it with a stick or something before finding something else with bright colors to distract me for a while.

PAK-9

3rd May 2005 12:28 UTC

Originally posted by roboBOT
I can definitely see why AVS is going down. I mean, this is my first post in almost a year. What would save AVS more than anything would be having its own tab on the main winamp.com site. AVS presets are really not plugins, and AVS is released with winamp and was created by winamp developers.

Also, you know how those old console (NES, SNES, SEGA, etc.) use those filter dealies to make low-rez images look good stretched to higher resolutions? Those would be great for AVS. If only there was a way to put them in.

Anyways, if AVS dies, I'll at least poke it with a stick or something before finding something else with bright colors to distract me for a while.