beeferoni

8th March 2005 22:33 UTC

Bah! I thought I understood input/output and render order, but it would seem not...
This is not making any sense to me. Here's how this preset is so far:
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Main 'clear every frame' UNchecked

Effect list - 'clear every frame' checked
Render/Moving Particle - yellow
Trans/Water
Trans/Blur

Effect list 'clear every frame' checked
Render/SuperScope - waveform - lines
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Now, obviously my trouble is in the input and output blending
for the effect lists. I swear I tried every combination possible.
The scope is at the bottom of the screen (representing grass)
and the moving particle (which I plan to have a bunch of) is supposed to have the blur and water effect (representing fireflies).
Now, I thought that the way I have this set up, I would have the scope unaffected by anything, and the particle(s)with sort of a tracer effect. I'm not trying to get anyone to figure out my preset for me, but what the hell am I doing wrong? If you need, I will put what I have in a zip file. Sorry for the noob question, but I am trying to learn. Thank you in advance for your help. :)

beeferoni

8th March 2005 22:36 UTC

Here it is in case you need to see it:
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hboy

8th March 2005 23:25 UTC

there is a really big problem here: you have your effects beside each other, with the effect lists. you have to put the effects INTO the effect list, not just before/after them! here is a modified and working version, just as to show you what you had wrong (and how i like it better ;)).

Play with the inputs/outputs so you see the differences.

beeferoni

9th March 2005 00:37 UTC

Thank you very much, hboy. I get it now. :)

beeferoni

9th March 2005 01:18 UTC

Damnit, okay I am confused about something. What the f%$# does the little plus or minus next to the effect list mean? I copied the preset exactly as you had it, hboy, except my effect lists had pluses instead of minuses. Okay, I clicked effect list again which gives me the one with the minus, but what is the point of having to add another? I even made it so I had it JUST like yours, with the minus signs, but when I opened it (after exiting AVS) they were pluses again! I realize I am confused on some fundamental 'nesting' concept as concerns effects lists, please help me understand it! Maybe there is some very basic bit of knowledge that I missed, I don't know. By the way, hboy, I saw a thread where you were pissed at somebody because they didn't want to take the time to learn for themselves. Please believe this is not the case with me. I have coding tutorials and effects tutorials right here on my desk, and I have read them a few times. *frustrated* :(

hboy

9th March 2005 05:48 UTC

Originally posted by beeferoni
Damnit, okay I am confused about something. What the f%$# does the little plus or minus next to the effect list mean? I copied the preset exactly as you had it, hboy, except my effect lists had pluses instead of minuses. Okay, I clicked effect list again which gives me the one with the minus, but what is the point of having to add another? I even made it so I had it JUST like yours, with the minus signs, but when I opened it (after exiting AVS) they were pluses again! I realize I am confused on some fundamental 'nesting' concept as concerns effects lists, please help me understand it! Maybe there is some very basic bit of knowledge that I missed, I don't know.

beeferoni

9th March 2005 18:00 UTC

ok, thank you again hboy. I still am not sure what my trouble is, because I copied the way you had the preset faithfully, and it didn't look the same. But I'll be damned if I'm giving up. I will figure it out. But really thanks for what you have done. :)

beeferoni

10th March 2005 01:45 UTC

You know, I believe I have discovered the root of the problem I am having. when I double-click on an effect list in hboy's edited version, the list opens and closes the view of all the effects in that list. In mine, the effect lists all have a plus next to them and double clicking them does nothing at all. Now, maybe that only has to do with the being able to see the effects or not, but all I know is, I reproduced mine EXACTLY as hboy has his (except for the little plus or minus sign), and it is different. If anyone has any ideas as to what might be causing this, please share. I am going to try re-installing winamp (Oi!) but I don't know if this will fix the problem. If it doesn't, maybe I should move this thread to the actual winamp bugs section? Or, even though I am apparently the only one experiencing this 'bug' maybe someone at Nullsoft are the only people able to adress this sort of thing? Not taking anything away from you guys of course.:)

beeferoni

10th March 2005 02:10 UTC

WOW! How freakin weird!! I didn't re-install winamp, but 'magically' it's ok now, I see the pluses AND minuses, double clicking works. Who the hell KNOWS what may have caused the problem, but all I know is, now I have to re-create all the presets I've made so far (yes, they are all 'stuck' with effect lists NOT showing or unshowing effects) and pay close attention to the way my presets go in the future. Sorry for this thread, but If I had one wish, it would be for someone to acknowledge that they can understand why I was frustrated! :P

(At least NOW I understand what hboy was talking about!)

PAK-9

10th March 2005 09:32 UTC

You just learned a valuble lesson about the AVS editor gui... its buggy as hell.

beeferoni

10th March 2005 19:46 UTC

Thanks for the nod, PAK. That's all I needed. I feel better now. :)

beeferoni

10th March 2005 19:49 UTC

Oh, by the way congrats on your Major dude status. I saw your thread about it, and I had to supress my urge to be a noob posting where I'm asked not to. :D