K1Barin

23rd April 2004 20:03 UTC

Dancing through finger tips with your favorite music
Dear Madam/ Sir,

I thank you for the great product you have, Winamp. I especially enjoy AVS option, and if you permit, I have a suggestion that perhaps may make people dance in front of their computers.

The suggestion is that you add a "user input transition" to your two present transitions: random and music. I mean making some user interaction such as Keyboard, mouse or gamepad, available with AVS. I think that would be a simple thing to do.

But think about it; people would be playing against their FAVORITE music for some acheivement. And that would make people's brain dance with their favorite music through their finger tips.

I am eager for such a product. Since AVS has advanced so much, thanks to Lord, I would prefer to have "user input transition" added to AVS, and be an end user of it this way easily. I might have created a whole new program and sell it myself, if there were not such facility as AVS available.

Thanks for your product,
And Thanks for your attention,
Kayvan Barin

mikm

23rd April 2004 22:20 UTC

AVS does have keyboard/mouse support.
I don't understand what you mean by "music transitions", though.
If you want to manually cycle, use Y and U.

Tuggummi

23rd April 2004 22:43 UTC

It's still up to someone to code the presets. Not many have skills to make interactive avs games and those who have are not all interested in making them. AVS still offers pretty poor & slow solution to make them also.
And how could you play agains your music i have no idea how you would imply that into a preset (the method/idea of the game, not technically) :igor:

DynamicMovement

24th April 2004 00:28 UTC

In imagination we can make this option, but, in real world I think this wish is untouchable thing.

hungryskull

24th April 2004 03:15 UTC

I get some of it, but I don't get the music part.

K1Barin

24th April 2004 15:30 UTC

What i mean by interaction with music is:
When music effects your preset, you help it by some input from keyboard etc. and you get some achievment something by preset. That actually means some sort of dance.

K1Barin

mikm

24th April 2004 16:10 UTC

I think I know what you are talking about...basically you want a preset that does a specific animation when you press a certain key, right?

I don't know if you've ever used Kid Pix, but I remember from elementary school that there was something where you made little characters move by pressing keys, and I'm guessing you want something like that.

Basically, any key/mouse effects would have to be put in by the author of the preset, and there would be no other way to make it work like you want.

Tuggummi

24th April 2004 18:35 UTC

It's still pretty vague explanation as to what you would want. "I want the preset reward me for pressing a key" you have to admit that does sound pretty vague :)
Some people will think this as the pump/zoom effect (think blitter feedback) Some may consider it as some short-time jiggly movement, some may think it changes colors...

If you're going to request someone to do this for you, you should be more specific as to what effects you want the preset do from different key presses. But coding this in AVS would be a pain in the ass indeed, currently avs artists seem to concentrate on making 1-3 different interactive features on a single preset, so making a preset that would react to every possible key on the keyboard would be a enourmous ammount of work and im not just talking code here. The concept & design would be a workload also and im not sure so many people with knowledge of avs would be so interested in making it, sorry :( But then again this is only in my humble opinion

K1Barin

24th April 2004 19:34 UTC

Sorry you guys for my poor English, as well as my lack of knowledge. But let me say it again:
When you program a preset, i believe effects can be manipulated in two ways, random or music (spectrum, beat etc.). What i am proposing is another means of effecting preset as well: user interaction. making an interface like that and have all the effects available to that i think would not be that difficult.
the rest of the job is by the author of preset to manage a harmonious interaction of finger tips and anybody's favorite music.

K1Barin

mikm

24th April 2004 21:48 UTC

Yes, it is possible, but like we've said, the author of the plugin would have to code it directly into the preset, which would be extremely hard code-wise.

TomyLobo

24th April 2004 22:00 UTC

i think you are referring to the built-in effects...
there are also fully customizable effects, so-called codable effects.
these include Superscope, Movement, Dynamic Movement, Texer II.
You can do nearly everything with them, including getting user input with the "getkbmouse" function. click the "expression help" button on any of these, click Functions and scroll down to the "getkbmouse" function for its description.
if you don't know anything about coding, read the faq thread in the AVS forum, search the forums for Atero's AVS primer and pir's tutorial

K1Barin

25th April 2004 14:34 UTC

Thanks for your information. If you permit I make a reduced wish for AVS:

AVS internals have means of detecting music (beat, spectrum etc.). And there is always possible to trigger anything by random or these music related things. If it would be possible to add another source of triggering any effect (etc.): user input, then that would be very simple to incorporate what I was suggesting in the first place.

Anyway it may be not that popular, and it would not be worth the trouble. When I was watching the AVS's, I imagined myself interacting with them, and it felt like dancing. Now this would be my final version of my wish.

Regards
Kayvan Barin

mikm

25th April 2004 17:07 UTC

When AVS detects a beat, it goes into the "b" variable- 1 = beat, 0 = nobeat.

AVS sends music data into the "v" variable (0 - 1 for spectrum, -1 to 1 for oscilliscope). THe author of the preset then decides how the preset should respond to both.

With your idea, it would have to be the same thing, otherwise the effects would be very limited. Plus, because there is already keyboard support implemented, this would break it, so its not going to happen.

K1Barin

25th April 2004 20:15 UTC

Well, this was my wish. If this can not happen, sorry for taking your time. Now if it is necessary, somebody close this thread.

Thanks for guiding me,
Kayvan Barin

Tuggummi

26th April 2004 07:00 UTC

Yeah it can't happen for the default avs effects, but if someone wants to code such a preset they can very well do so. With codable effect list's it is very possible without much of a slow down. I.e. One push would activate water filter for a period of time, one would change the brightness with the color modifier, one would add bump effect etc. That is possible, but you can't change the effects with it, water filter will always do only one thing and it can't be changed (it can be altered with different blendings with a effect list, but that's not the point).

Uhm what im saying that if you took it up to make it and learn how to do it, you could eventually do something like that :) I doubt too many people would be willing to do it for you.