Fishzn

24th December 2003 22:50 UTC

Christian Visualizations?
Hi guys/gals

im new to this forum *waves at everyone here* and didn't want to cause any type of religious uprising but just wanted to know where i can get good christian visualizations for winamp 5.0

P.S wouldn't mind knowing where to get anything dealing with christianity for winamp 5.0! eg. lyrics, plug-ins

Thanks guys:)

Deamon

24th December 2003 23:02 UTC

I made a preset of a 3D cross once. Download my AVS pack "HyperNation" (see my signature). It's in there. I don't know any other religious presets though.

mikm

24th December 2003 23:19 UTC

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....9#post1010079, these might be of interest to you

Fishzn

24th December 2003 23:28 UTC

Why thank you ppl, a very quick reply by many forums standards!

D/l'ing hypernation right now daemon!!!

Oh m2k, what exactly is the interesting part in that thread, forgive me its two in the morning in South africa!

mikm

25th December 2003 00:05 UTC

the zip file Avs Knockout Round 2.zip

UnConeD

25th December 2003 02:10 UTC

Um what would make a visualisation particularly Christian? The request is kind of pointless unless you specifically want stuff with crosses.

sidd

25th December 2003 13:44 UTC

haha, thats exactly what i was thinking, except i didnt want to sound rude by saying it.

Visualisations are visualisations, christianitiy is christianitiy. The two are completely different things. I dont think people make avs with any particular message, its just pretty pictures that go with tha music.

forgive me, its christmas and im drunkedy-drunked.

PAK-9

25th December 2003 18:17 UTC

rofl. hehe..hehe... no I'm ok... bwahahah rofl

dirkdeftly

25th December 2003 18:24 UTC

if ucd says it, it can't be rude :D

sidd

26th December 2003 02:41 UTC

words to live by.

Deamon

26th December 2003 15:16 UTC

I don't agree with you guys. I think presest can be religious. You can be very creative with all kind of religious symbols. In a texered or pictured preset, or by scoping (or DM-ing) them yourself. Though indeed it would require the use of those symbols.

Rovastar

26th December 2003 18:57 UTC

The most Christian plugin I know is Andy O'mears G-Force. As being a strong Christian he named the whole visualization after God the G stands simply for God.

www.55ware.com

Fishzn

26th December 2003 19:25 UTC

Originally posted by UnConeD
Um what would make a visualisation particularly Christian? The request is kind of pointless unless you specifically want stuff with crosses.

cmountford

30th December 2003 04:31 UTC

well, Lord of the Rings has many religious themes to it, though I wouldn't compare it directly in every aspect to Christianity. I made a preset Sauron's Fiery Eye, search AVS forums.

Well it isn't strictly winamp, but I thought it might be of interest to you...I did a re-do of 50 Cent's In da Club

You can check it out at http://e.1asphost.com/sharkdarapper/Index.htm

Note this recording isn't perfect, has some blips etc. & cuts off too early, though the perfect version I have on my studio. http://e.1asphost.com/sharkdarapper/..._attempt_2.ogg

I'm in the process of (slowly) re-doing my site based on suggestions from the forums (like replacing the spaces in the file names with underscores, etc.) It works fine with IE 6.____ (whatever)

[edit]: oh, yeah...forgot to say, I know WA 5 is out...just haven't gotten around to updating my site ;)

UnConeD

30th December 2003 08:19 UTC

Your URLs with spaces work fine here. Make sure to encode them as %20 (according to specs).

By the way, never, ever use office for HTML output. The source for that page is hideous, and doesn't look better than bare HTML without CSS.

Deamon

30th December 2003 08:38 UTC

And with CSS, you could make it really nice :), and CSS is about the simplest thing to 'design' web sites.

cmountford

30th December 2003 16:26 UTC

thanks...I'll try and see if I can get dreamweaver. Is it any good for web design? Somebody told me it was

Tuggummi

31st December 2003 17:29 UTC

Christian AVS... hmm... makes one wonder, what does make one a christian visualization? If we are now sticking to avs (after all this is the AVS forums ;)) what about the comments that people include within a preset? Can something that a author said in the comment make a preset non-accetable for christians? I don't know about others, but i talk, i talk so much i can't even remember half of it :D But also when i write comments im not thinking wheter or not this or that kind of people would find it offending... So could a bad comment spoil a good preset is what im basicly asking :)

Also, the whole thought of a christian avs is kinda... well, how does one say it, very much subtle concept. Is it the title of the preset that makes it? What the presets shows for you in the screen? Or does ones words count for anything?

All i can say, that avs that is directed to any certain group of people by religion / politics / country is a very very rare sight around here, the community. One might be touchy by discussing about them, but most of us are pretty neutral i guess. We just do avs that we like, very very rarely it has any kind of a point or message behind it :)

fragmer

31st December 2003 20:36 UTC

@cmountford: check this out: http://forum.deviantart.com/communit...amming/138980/
I personaly like HTML_TidyUI and Notepad :p

(sorry, this is not about christian visualizations)

canazza

31st December 2003 22:33 UTC

I made some pretty basic 'jesus' ones inspired by this topic...

Same picture of jesus manipulated in different ways within Winamp.

Including Jelly Jesus, which i'm particularly proud of, check out http://canazza.deviantart.com for the file

cmountford

1st January 2004 09:52 UTC

Originally posted by fragmer
@cmountford: check this out: http://forum.deviantart.com/communit...amming/138980/
I personaly like HTML_TidyUI and Notepad :p

(sorry, this is not about christian visualizations)

cmountford

1st January 2004 09:58 UTC

I just got an idea for what ppl might be able to do (or possibly done(??))---something about Christmas lights...or convert Mr. Happy into Santa-lol.

Deamon

1st January 2004 11:33 UTC

Happy new year to you guys from me as well :)

Warrior of the Light

5th January 2004 08:31 UTC

@cmontford: What has Santa to do with Christianity?

@all: Happy new year 2 u 2

And for defining christian presets, a lot of presets are just.. visualizations (funny, heh?), others are created to look like something and can be christianity-themed. Can Vis-presets be christian? I wonder...

legohead

6th January 2004 01:09 UTC

Christian VIS:

Insert Text ape: "Hail mary full of grace..."


What tha? Are you guys having some sort of freaky religo prayer meeting or something? Plugin to some prayer and trippy visuals -ROCK!


Ooh... thats creepy.

Braininator

12th January 2004 08:22 UTC

Hey all, I'm making a set of Christian visualizations at the moment, won't be anything spectacular but they'll be cool.

Warrior of the Light

12th January 2004 09:26 UTC

I'll be joining you shortly, perhaps even under another nickname... ;)

times2

12th January 2004 18:03 UTC

christian visualisations
did anyone ever see the (amiga) demo called 'Jesus on Es'?

that was the first credible use of a computer for live entertainment (apart from games) that i ever saw.

seriously guys music visualisation and religion? seems about as relevant as dancing about architecture.

t

Warrior of the Light

13th January 2004 06:46 UTC

Then you must be amazed about the amount of requests I've had... Really, don't underestimate it.

But no, I didn't see it.

Tuggummi

13th January 2004 07:34 UTC

hahah, times2 has watched "The 6 lessons of love" (or something like that) :D

Yes i think it's irrelevant too, but im just curious could a good preset be ignored just by it's title or comment? Maybe im wrong (or generalizing), but to me it seems that a preset named "Multiple Orgasms" doesn't get much of audience from christians... :p

Deamon

13th January 2004 21:39 UTC

lol @ tugg :D

Deamon

14th January 2004 14:03 UTC

on the other hand, maybe some pervert priests would watch ;)

Tuggummi

15th January 2004 06:34 UTC

Blasphemy! Slap him in the mouth! :D

Insolent_Chimp

18th January 2004 01:15 UTC

Originally posted by ;-c ,rattaplan
@cmontford: What has Santa to do with Christianity?

@all: Happy new year 2 u 2

Tuggummi

18th January 2004 02:27 UTC

AVS presets probably don't have souls/minds

OnionRingOfDoom

18th January 2004 02:36 UTC

Yeah, that is just a bit creapy.

Insolent_Chimp

18th January 2004 03:28 UTC

To: Tuggummi and OnionRingofDoom

When I say soul/mind what I mean is: has a dualism, as in mind & body, rather than simply body.

In Douglas Coupland's novel 'Microserfs' one of the characters builds a 'soul' database for his notebook.

The idea isn't that farfetched. If we are simply material beings--in other words, having mind and body exist as one entity, rather than a dualism--then AI would have all of the same faculties as humans possibly even better ones. Have you ever seen 'Bladerunner' or even that crappy movie 'AI'?

For the purposes of this, read mind as subjectivity and body as objectivity. I don't mean brain when I say mind, unless I am talking about materialism.

If we exist with seperate mind/soul and body then there is no locus for subjectivity, so how will AI have a subjective viewpoint without it being put there by a human? And exactly where is it 'put'? There is no location for the 'mind'. So does it spontaneously form in an conceptual reality at the conception of subjectivity?

AI uses heuristics, which in turn come from thought and sensory data, and thought comes from the mind/brain. Either way it's subjective. And if you're the kind who believe in souls you shouldn't exclude the possibility of AI having a soul, after all quantum physics seems to suggest that it's more than probable, seeing how our world is really an interaction and interpretation of ourselves.

Other literature and movies that ponder the question of AI and souls:

Pinnochio
2001: A space oddessey
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Supernova

That's just off the top of my head. C'mon, like this really came out of far left field. It's been a pretty common thought for quite a while.

Deamon

18th January 2004 16:37 UTC

Originally posted by Insolent_Chimp
[B]Santa Claus would not exist without christianity. The name is a permutation of 'Saint' and Nicholas.

Yathosho

18th January 2004 17:15 UTC

the day this thread dies, i'm going to church and pray thank you :p

UnConeD

18th January 2004 19:30 UTC

Um Deamon, Santa Claus IS Saint Nicolas IS Sinterklaas. They are just warped versions of the same story.

Insolent_Chimp

19th January 2004 00:48 UTC

Not Dutch.

Tuggummi

19th January 2004 13:53 UTC

lol @ yat :p

Deamon

20th January 2004 12:55 UTC

I thought Santa Claus is the "kerstman" and that Sinterklaas is just somebody else.

UnConeD

20th January 2004 15:12 UTC

Deamon: you're right, sort of. Santa Claus is 'de kerstman' and Sinterklaas is the other dude. But they are simply two different versions of the same story/myth... you never wondered why they both wear red and a funny hat, and deliver gifts through the chimney?
Sure, the details vary a bit, but the main idea is still the same.

Yathosho

20th January 2004 15:36 UTC

they wear red because coca cola started that at some time for a commercial.. he/they dressed brown originally

however, we're super off-topic, why don't you close this damn thread :)

Deamon

20th January 2004 15:40 UTC

you call off-topic a reason to close a thread? People'll stop talking in it if they don't like it anymore.

Though you're right, let's get back to the original purpose of this thread, or let it die peacefully.

UnConeD

20th January 2004 15:59 UTC

This thread was off-topic from the beginning IMO. It'll die if it wants to ;).

Tuggummi

21st January 2004 06:08 UTC

But we all know that the real santa lives in Finland in the arctic circle :p

[edit]
But no one hasn't still answered my question: "Will i burn in hell for being so free minded" :blah: :p
[/edit]

Deamon

21st January 2004 08:18 UTC

I guess not, Tugg. And Sinterklaas lives in Spain, Santa lives on the north pole! :p

Yathosho

21st January 2004 14:18 UTC

Originally posted by Deamon
Santa lives on the north pole! :p

Deamon

21st January 2004 21:58 UTC

lol. Now that is cool, Yathosho :D.