justin

16th September 2003 10:23 UTC

avs 2.7pre3 yay
OK just want to give you guys the latest build

http://genghis.winamp.com/~deadbeef/avs27pre3.zip

what's new:

• fixed memory leak in evallib introduced in 2.7pre2
• added seperate debug window with register watch, compilation error listing
• made variable clearing on recompile optional for development
• woo undo/redo system (thanks largely to mig) - not ideal but definately handy
• fixed/upgraded the trans / movement functionality, pretty usable for starting with a particular preset and editting
• added blend modes to misc / buffer save
• made effect lists expanded by default on load
• made y/u nav wrap again :)

Montana

16th September 2003 10:30 UTC

ok, cool, so justin when can we expect a 2.7final ver?

justin

16th September 2003 10:38 UTC

Originally posted by Montana
ok, cool, so justin when can we expect a 2.7final ver?

Montana

16th September 2003 10:42 UTC

justin can you add a option to just save, because the current save option is a "save as"-option.

uNDefineD

16th September 2003 11:24 UTC

Wow, W5 is that close? Awesomeness! ::can't wait::

BTW, just a nitpick: "Preset may have been edited" not editted. ;)

EDIT AGAIN: one more thing, perhaps a fixed-space font (ie. courier) for comments? It'd definitely help with ASCII art/formatting.

anubis2003

16th September 2003 11:48 UTC

Yay. Sounding good.

Tuggummi

16th September 2003 12:10 UTC

made effect lists expanded by default on load

Deamon

16th September 2003 14:54 UTC

avs 2.7final with wa5final in late october? I LOVE YOU GUYS! GREAT!

And indeed it would be nice to have a fixed-space font for the comment screen. ASCII pictures are sweet to use in the intro presets of new packs.

Jaak

16th September 2003 15:01 UTC

I dont like that wa5 comes out so early... :(
that means its prolly full of bugs and... even Nullsoft cant make avs rock in so little time... :(

[Ishan]

16th September 2003 15:10 UTC

hehe thanx justin:D you pwn.

anubis2003

16th September 2003 15:11 UTC

It seems that WA5 is just WA2 with some extras tacked on. It's supposedly not buggy at all. Hopefully things will be good with it.
I know the new AVS kicks ass.

dirkdeftly

16th September 2003 15:33 UTC

ndd: needs a seperate rtf comment for backwards compatibility :) otherwise it'd fuxor things like skupers's comments

Jaak

16th September 2003 16:13 UTC

Justin?!
With this version of avs(pre) I have experienced some very weird crashes this happens allways (with one exeption) when I'm coding a ssc...
I can not say what causes this but I'm sure there is a bug in it (d'uh)...
This crash even sucks more than usual onese :P that give me a chance to save my preset :hang:, i must say this REALLY sucks.

If it's needed i can send the preset whan i was/am working on, it has crashed allready 3 times.
If i get more info about those crashes then ill let you know.
Oh, once it crashed when it was loading preset, it cant be varjable limit... prolly it is about global varjables... or maybe not.
help... :(

Also, for the eval help, will probalby just include a .html (AVS primer stripped down?) and have AVS spawn on demand, perhaps to the right section. Sound good to ppl?

Yathosho

16th September 2003 18:24 UTC

Originally posted by uNDefineD
one more thing, perhaps a fixed-space font (ie. courier) for comments? It'd definitely help with ASCII art/formatting.

Jaak

16th September 2003 20:45 UTC

*Jawn*
Now i got after few crashes an error
The instruction at "0x77f5b13b" referenced memory at "0x00000014" the memory could not be "read"

:(

Am I really only who has this problem... or is it about winamp... maybe ill reinstall it... or... :hang:

Deamon

16th September 2003 20:49 UTC

SSC crashes? I had problems with 2.7pre1, the SSC dissapeared, while editing it. Though I have not had any problems with version 2 and 3. Could you please post the avs you were working on, and tell what went wrong exactly, and also when exactly?

Jaak

16th September 2003 21:04 UTC

ok here we go
http://acko.net/dump/jaak/Solid%20Grid.zip
2 time when i was pasting and editing those getosc(1/16,0,0)'s
once when i loaded the preset
and i THIIINK it was few time whan i was just coding the point code

http://acko.net/dump/jaak/yks.zip
it crashed wile loading and few time when editing code...

I think it cant be about global varjable coz the secong ssc doesnt use global varjables :P
i have no idea... maybe it me... :S

Deamon

16th September 2003 21:47 UTC

I really like the solid grid, though nothing seems to go wrong here. I played around with your code a bit, most of the time fucking it up, though nothing weird like crashes. Also I loaded the presets about 10 times. No crashes at that as well.

Sorry mate, but I think it's just your comp. Bad installation maybe?

Jaak

16th September 2003 21:58 UTC

i hope so... but i doupt so... but maybe :D

anyways... tomorrow ill reinstall the wa and dl the avs2.70pre3 again and ill see...
...now i really need sleep.

uNDefineD

16th September 2003 23:58 UTC

Originally posted by Atero
ndd: needs a seperate rtf comment for backwards compatibility :) otherwise it'd fuxor things like skupers's comments

Zevensoft

17th September 2003 03:16 UTC

YAY jheriko pack 9 intro works with this version.

S-uper_T-oast

17th September 2003 03:44 UTC

Question for justin-
What is the deal with the laser "plugin" we have found lying around in the code?

anubis2003

17th September 2003 03:57 UTC

It's for compatibility with those cool(yet really expensive) lasers that some nice clubs and such have. They can create cool laser shows using it. I don't know if a final version was ever actually released. May be wrong though...

uNDefineD

17th September 2003 09:14 UTC

You mean using a laser to project AVS output?! Coooool.

EDIT: Found a bug - when using U and Y to scroll presets, it only scrolls within the selected "random" dir, ie. I was viewing a Jaak preset and it jumped straight to one of mine instead of the next Jaak one, because the random dir was set to uNDefineD.

Deamon

17th September 2003 12:54 UTC

I also had that with older AVS versions...

Raz

17th September 2003 15:27 UTC

Just a minor peeve. Any chance of having double menus or just more added on when needed because scrolling through endless presets is tedious and irritating. Especially when it scrolls as slow as the avs menu does.

times2

17th September 2003 15:43 UTC

i'm amazed
you wait two years for a new version of AVS, and then 3 come along all at once...

good stuff, global variables, evallib... gosh thats going to take me a while to figure out how to program.

i have 2 probablly unreasonable and unpopular requests..,

1) more scratch area or global variables, enough to allow my midi recieving plugin to transmit a whole 16 channels of midi events

2) a way of syncing redraw on windowed or 'overlay' output to stop those horrible horizontal tearing lines...

anubis2003

17th September 2003 15:46 UTC

this isn't 3 versions - it's just one version - these are all prereleases. Make sure you wait until the final version comes out before you start any major development - a lot may change.

mikm

17th September 2003 23:44 UTC

1. 100 globals isn't enough??
2. Turn off "resize image" under display.

S-uper_T-oast

18th September 2003 03:13 UTC

Don't think this was mentioned before, but entering variables with charector lengths over eight, store the variable using only the first eight charectors. ie: abcdefgh=0; abcdefghi=1; If you would then try to recall abcdefgh, it would return 1, and trying to use abcdefghi would result in your code not working.

Deamon

18th September 2003 17:25 UTC

2 small wishes for AVS 2.7, hope they'll get in. Other people, let me know what you think of them.

1. the next/previous buttons on the AVS window, like in winamp 3.0
2. Extra ability for coding: to format variables to a certain number of decimals. For example, to format a 10 decimal variable to a 2 decimal variable. It can be useful together with the global vars, for example to trigger a different scope if 2 others are at a certain location.

anubis2003

18th September 2003 17:34 UTC

I definitely agree to number one.
number 2 isn't really necessary.

UnConeD

18th September 2003 19:00 UTC

deamon: if you want to round stuff, you can already use something like:

// 3 decimals
var=((var*1000)|0)*.001

Not very efficient, but should still work.

Deamon

18th September 2003 22:16 UTC

yay! Thx UnConed. :D

moltarx

18th September 2003 23:14 UTC

i hafta say... thats much neater :-)

i like the additions to it ^_^

sidd

19th September 2003 03:55 UTC

Heres a bit of a bug with the effect list on the left thats always really pissed me off.

Clicking and draging an effect, but not moving it from its position (so you get the 'move here' thingo to show up.. but still in the same position as before), results in it being moved one spot down the list. Even though it will still appear in its original position on the list. It only shows up in the correct position once you restart AVS.

There are also a few other weirdiums like this that generally result in stuff appearing in the worng place. So perhaps the best idea would be to just make the list auto refresh from the avs file, rather than ironing out all of the bugs.

dirkdeftly

19th September 2003 05:23 UTC

well one odd bug i just found this afternoon...sign(x) doesn't return the sign of x. it returns something slightly smaller than the sign of x, but still within the bounds of avs's required accuracy to be called 1. for example: sign(1)=0.9999900001, and sign(16)=0.99999937500039. it appears this number gets larger as the argument does.
also in this process i found out that avs disregards anything past the fifth decimal point - including 0's. thus, 0.99999=1, and 0.000001=0. this is true for all of the boolean functions (equal, if, below, above, bor, bnot, and band.

speaking of band...you oughtta get rid of that nastyass indent in the expression help :)

speaking of the expression help...you oughtta document use of whitespace and the old comment chars - any charachter above a certain number, forget which...but it includes alt+0160 (hard space).

Tuggummi

19th September 2003 06:23 UTC

1. the next/previous buttons on the AVS window, like in winamp 3.0

Jaheckelsafar

19th September 2003 07:14 UTC

Mayby it's beacuse I'm nicely drunk, but I love AVS. The global vars are sweet, and I still have to play with colour mod. :)

Just glad I'm at home right now. Don't think i could drive anywhere.

Deamon

19th September 2003 08:05 UTC

The new expression help looks great :). And yes Tugg, I know the keys, though half the time I forget them ;)

UnConeD

19th September 2003 14:29 UTC

Seems there is one line drawing bug which I had forgotten about.

Diagonal lines don't seem to get clipped into the view window correctly, because there is noticable slowdown with lines spanning huge coordinates.

E.g. Set render mode, line width=100, Superscope, n=2, draw lines.

If you use the following for per point:
x=(i*2-1)*100000;y=0;
There is no noticable slowdown (this is a horizontal line).
If we change it to:
x=(i*2-1)*100000;y=i;
however (which is almost 100% the same in the visible area), the preset is slowed down a lot.

This is annoying for line-heavy scopes because you have to include some basic clipping into the code.

UnConeD

19th September 2003 21:22 UTC

After a night of AVSing I've come to the conclusion that this version is a LOT more unstable than 2.6.

Crashes have happened when:
- Adding a new component to a preset
- Starting to play music in winamp
- Changing code around

In all cases, AVS attempts to read from an almost-nullpointer (i.e. probably a nullpointer to a struct/object that is being used).
Unlike AVS2.6's code crashes, after this happens it's impossible to save the preset by moving the 'this program has performed an illegal operation...' box away and using the AVS editor dialog before clicking 'close'. The editor *is* still responsive to mouse/keyb events, but saving causes a hang and after restarting AVS it turns out the save did not happen at all.

Phaze1987

19th September 2003 21:29 UTC

w00t :) Finaly,a ray of light in the dark room of AVS...sounds soooo Danielle Steele like :)

times2

21st September 2003 19:09 UTC

1- not for what i have in mind
2- you dont understand what i mean at all. when the screen is drawn it often displays 2 frames seperated by a horizontal 'tear' because it doesnt sync or double-buffer, 'wait for refresh' doesnt seem to have any effect at all. i know a lot of you guys like using fullscreen mode which DOES doublebuffer but i like to tweak presets while they are running.

Originally posted by m²k
1. 100 globals isn't enough??
2. Turn off "resize image" under display.

jheriko

22nd September 2003 01:50 UTC

The new APE 'SDK' is great, the ability to access the global registers and use 'evallib' is great.. its a shame that there is no documentation or example of adding 'evallib' to an APE. The lazy half of me made an ape to demonstrate how you can use code in a SSC or DM to 'send' an ape values via a global register. This could be a good alternative to including a messy code box on a 3D ape, when you could infact send ox,oy,oz,rx,ry,rz vars through global registers to synch the APE rendered object with superscopes and DMs and such.

Maybe everyone already noticed.. but I think that this is probably the best thing about this version of AVS, making APE more powerful will help make AVS much better in the long term than anything else.

Contents of zip file:

ape.avs
avstut00.ape

Don't go about using this APE for anything, or distributing it.

blazer1504

22nd September 2003 09:39 UTC

Quote: Well excuse me for saying this, but that's just plain stupid. it's one of the reasons i hated winamp3 so much Why can't you just use y&u to shuffle through? The AVS window needs to be clean i think. Those buttons would only distract and spoil the viewing pleasure

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1. the next/previous buttons on the AVS window, like in winamp 3.0

I totally agree with this. No extra buttons to AVS window !

Jaak

22nd September 2003 11:36 UTC

deamn, i loved that button!
yes for teh great next button

Wiser87

22nd September 2003 17:07 UTC

Originally posted by Raz
Just a minor peeve. Any chance of having double menus or just more added on when needed because scrolling through endless presets is tedious and irritating. Especially when it scrolls as slow as the avs menu does.

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Raz

22nd September 2003 22:28 UTC

List of 3 minor and most probably easy to sort peeves:
#1: The above quote
#2: The ability to put already inserted components into empty effect lists without adding another component first
#3: Alphabetically organised menus. PLEASE. It's incredibly hard to find things sometimes, not to mention the whole, when packs are released and the presets have numbers starting their names but are all in a messed up order.

sidd

22nd September 2003 22:48 UTC

#2 can be done already (if i understand you correctly). Just drag the effect to the little plus or minus sign next to the empty efect list.

Nic01

22nd September 2003 23:42 UTC

Wiser : 2274 is nothing...
5702 on C:\ and 3191 on D:\, not checked for doubles or nonAVS .avs files.

8893 total, 7000-8000 if checked for doubles.
Long live packrats.

I don't really think double menus would be of much help... Subfoldering is more than enough for now, trust me.

Raz

22nd September 2003 23:43 UTC

Ahh, never realised that before. Still, it would be nice if it were clearer.

dirkdeftly

23rd September 2003 03:59 UTC

Yea, I just realized that after I released AVSP1.75 (which told you how to open up a brand new effect list to put something in it)...silly me :rolleyes:

Wiser87

23rd September 2003 05:33 UTC

Quote: