can you do this with avs ???

th3matr1x

15th September 2003 20:42 UTC

can you do this with avs ???
Is avs better then my 3d visuals? this picture is taken in realtime , using hardware and 2 pictures :)

mikm

15th September 2003 21:07 UTC

WE can't use any hardware acceleration, so there is no way we could get the 3D quality of any plugin. However, it has amazing flexibility and can do many things (read AVS Essential Veiwing in the News section of the main page_

Tuggummi

16th September 2003 06:49 UTC

Yeah avs could never do that. But we don't need to :) Why some people like avs that much then if it can't produce the quality of these kind of plugins? Well you just have to figure it out yourself ;)

Here is a hint: There are hardly any viewers that haven't tried tinker with AVS after viewing presets ;)

Zevensoft

16th September 2003 07:06 UTC

Yes AVS could do that, but it would be hella slow.

th3matr1x

16th September 2003 11:25 UTC

I got about 70 fps on 1024 fullscreen , I think avs coud do 2 fps on my pc on that resolution , and no way it can't do the same quality.
if u can try it.

anubis2003

16th September 2003 11:51 UTC

AVS won't be able to do the exact same thing with any quality or speed, but it can get fairly close and keep good speeds. Note: it will still only be runnable over 640x480 if you have a TOP of the line video card. And then 20FPS will be a fast preset.

UnConeD

16th September 2003 13:39 UTC

th3matr1x: I don't really see the point. We know AVS is very limited by its software renderer in terms of resolution and speed, but there is a big BUT... it opens up infinite possibilities in real-time, and that's something only Milkdrop has gotten close to. Other plug-ins are just boring to watch after 5 minutes.

th3matr1x

16th September 2003 14:27 UTC

I'm working on that too :)
so you better chek it when it will be out.

anubis2003

16th September 2003 15:19 UTC

Build a custom editor in it with as much functionality as AVS and I'll look at it. :p AVS is the 1337357.

[Ishan]

16th September 2003 15:39 UTC

I also dont see the point here.Just like us try and stick with AVS for a few months and then you'll realise its possibilities.

th3matr1x

16th September 2003 16:18 UTC

You know Matlab/Simulink? If you do then you now what you will expect.
I mean connecting effects with arrow, a gui for you and grafical objects a la carte , all in 3d. That will be my next project after the one I'm working on.

Rovastar

16th September 2003 18:33 UTC

th3matr1x pimping in the AVS forums will only lead to a flamewar.

It is the wrong place for this and besides if you really to show off then first beat the best of whatever is out there. http://www.rabidhamster.org/R4
;):p

And I still haven't had time to but my input into it yet.:)

Jaak

16th September 2003 21:17 UTC

th3matr1x...

...

:|

LMFAO
Nothing beats avs,its simple, it doesnt get boring (ENDLESS possibilities), ist easy to learn... avs is the best

th3matr1x

16th September 2003 23:36 UTC

I don' wanna beat up, I'm working differently then Mr Gordon Williams
I Don't wanna beat up with anyone, I just said that with 3d programming you can do a lot more then with avs. That's what i think, that's the nextlevel of grafik , so peaps, do not get too sticked with avs, It's good, very good, maybe impressive, but nowaday we can use 3d, or can't you programm only with avs?
this image speaks for its self: screenshot with a small touch of photoshop

Nic01

17th September 2003 00:36 UTC

*sigh*

A blind person, walking through a highway with a 100 mph rush hour (yes, ironic, but just imagine it) traffic.

Poor kid.

It's not that we're purists. Take Maxpudding, Danjoe (I think...), and Skupers for example - they did 3D arts. Skupers, for what I know, is pretty good in 3D arts. Atero is a music artist, UCD is a programmer.
On the subject on 3D anyways - Functionality in a 3D vis is not something I've seen just yet (And will prolly never see on this crappy graphics card...), and AVS provides (almost) just that.

Oh yes : 1st pic is possible in AVS, just not in too fast of a speed.
"th3matr1x mode" - You call that art?
As for the gallery on your site : Nothing seems terribly impressive... nothing there that seems special. When will there be something original in the 3D vis industry...

Downloading Liquidtrixxx at the moment. Expect a little more rant soon.

skupers

17th September 2003 07:58 UTC

Originally posted by Nic01
Skupers, for what I know, is pretty good in 3D arts.

Thanks :D .

That your plugin can use 3d is great, but can it also do flows or fractals in the same preset? What about Game of Life (Atero ;))?
I'm sure your plugin is very nice (haven't checked it yet), but coding something with some much possibilities as AVS is difficult. Most of those 3d plugins only have quite limited possibilities, usually they can only do 3d and some 2d Oscillators and Spectrum Analyzers. Do you the plugin called Eonic? Very nice 3d visuals, but it gets boring, because you can't edit it and it's only 3d.

[Ishan]

17th September 2003 15:40 UTC

look th3matr1x i dont say that other plugins are bad but its just that i think *know* AVS rulez and nobody can change my opinion.
That's it.

th3matr1x

17th September 2003 15:53 UTC

hey , I forgot to tell ya , that the liquidtrixx ver2.0 plugin is an older version , than the one i'm working on.

And to Nic01 , Ignorance is your world.

th3matr1x

17th September 2003 15:56 UTC

hey , I forgot to tell ya , that the liquidtrixx ver2.0 plugin is an older version , than the one i'm working on.

And to Nic01 , you dig it? Ignorance is your world.

anubis2003

17th September 2003 15:57 UTC

how is ignorance his world - he says that we don't just stick with AVS. I do a lot of other things and have tried out several of the other main vis plugins. AVS is far superior.

th3matr1x

17th September 2003 16:52 UTC

You dig only avs in here i guess, nevermind.

anubis2003

17th September 2003 17:52 UTC

Most of us have tried other things. AVS is just the greatest, as far as we are concerned. If you go over to the milkdrop forums, then you'll hear about how great MD is. Can't really expect less.

We will give you that what you made is a good program and all, but AVS is superior, as far as we are concerned. If you make it better than AVS, then you will be god. Do it - I double dare you. :p

th3matr1x

17th September 2003 19:50 UTC

Originally posted by anubis2003
Most of us have tried other things. AVS is just the greatest, as far as we are concerned. If you go over to the milkdrop forums, then you'll hear about how great MD is. Can't really expect less.

We will give you that what you made is a good program and all, but AVS is superior, as far as we are concerned. If you make it better than AVS, then you will be god. Do it - I double dare you. :p

I dunno if I will do it like avs, Maybe i will do it differently, you know what i mean? other style? Not the sameway.

Jaak

17th September 2003 20:20 UTC

Hey d00d OPEN YOUR EYES
you are just stitting in your small world and you dont whanna hear nothing from outside...

I totaly agree with Raz and all other... your viz WILL get boring... it can look great, be fast etc. but this just requiers skill of programming and probably lot of time o code your vis... and you really think your vis presets will be 1000+? no way m8, get real...

[edit]
checked the plugin out...
i must say you use waay too much black background,and 3d only can NOT impress me, i would like to see some flow, some smooth colors, *and a way that i could pick the preset myself from list*.I dont like the colors you use (just presonal taste... many ppl dont like RGB what i use :P)
and again... those preset get boring really quickly, after second preset i whanted to see avs... or atleast md ;)
anyways, you cant impress me with this viz...
as a 3d i even like 'Jheriko - UnConeD - VJ CHMUTOV' , 'UnConeD - zg maze 3' and *insert few random GREAT 3d avs preset here* more than any of your current presets... and your screenshots mean nothing, i must see it myself
[/edit]

Nic01

18th September 2003 00:43 UTC

Originally posted by th3matr1x
hey , I forgot to tell ya , that the liquidtrixx ver2.0 plugin is an older version , than the one i'm working on.

And to Nic01 , you dig it? Ignorance is your world.

Do I dig it?

I dug it... from the grave and into the incinerator.

If a 3D scene looks simple enough to be created using AVS, you know you need to hone a little more skill, assuming the scene is not quite on a good caliber.

All it'd take is a movement or two, a couple colorfilters (using more movements and SSC), a little texer, and a little aphablending job. poof.
The image is also a little cut off on one of the filter lines... huge ick.
I'd make a copy of the scene with a little dynamicity, but that'd be quite a waste of time.

Now where's the paint thinner...

S-uper_T-oast

18th September 2003 03:39 UTC

The reason AVS is so popular is because it is so flexible. You can mkae neat eyecandy like Degenic, amazingly simple complex things like Tuggummi, mind boggling 3D effects like UnConeD and jheriko, and then there are people like Skuppers, ShockValue, and the list goes on and on of amazing things. But then it is also very user freindly were anybody can start right away and make things. AVS can do so much, it is almost impossible to beat or even imitate it's distinct style and ease of use.

Nic01

18th September 2003 03:56 UTC

When you want to defend someone, please use correct spelling... you sound like a drunk lawyer :P

Oh yes, and Jaak : One preset shining above all others to show the power of AVS would be like finding a new kind of gem with only one single piece that is very attractive with the rest unknown...

AVS is deep enough such that there is 10+ artists with distinct styles (UnConeD, Tuggummi, El-Vis, Yatosho [that 1st h is now removed right?], Zevensoft, Justin [I personally like these old-skool presets... I personally like them a shitload.], Atero, Jheriko, Degnic, JDm, Oussy, Shock Value, Zamuz, Duo, Nic01, Danjoe, Maxpudding, Pak-9 [Though with a bit of a resemblance with J...], etc etc ad nauseum). Tell me if that's not something.

EDIT : Forgot a couple names... huge names at that...

Jaak

18th September 2003 05:12 UTC

Oh yes, and Jaak : One preset shining above all others to show the power of AVS would be like finding a new kind of gem with only one single piece that is very attractive with the rest unknown...

D'uh

Well sayd I must say :)

Tuggummi

18th September 2003 06:52 UTC

What are you afraid of th3matr1x? That AVS is eating off your downloaders? :igor: Is your plugin somehow less good because of AVS? I mean what in the world is your goal with this post? :igor:

I can't understand why you want to prove so badly that your plugin is better than AVS... Is it because of the fact that two AVS packs are on the top most downloaded list at the wa3 components? Does that "eat you up" that a AVS pack is more popular than your 3D visual plugin?

...

:igor:

th3matr1x

18th September 2003 13:04 UTC

show me something like that in avs (screen shot please ) and i will believe what you are talking about ok?
link
Please show me :)

Tuggummi

18th September 2003 13:22 UTC

AVS:
Better in speed? : Hell no!
Better in resolution/image quality? Uhmm... No!
Better in beat-detection? Can't say since i can't even run your plugin.
Better in variety?: With thousands of artists, it better be!
Better in originality?: Check above.
More user friendly?: Well d'uh... there isn't that much avs presets for nothing...

It's all about which you prefer, but the AVS forums is definetly the worst place in the world to come show-off your plugin. I ask you again: W-h-y d-o y-o-u h-a-v-e, t-o p-r-o-v-e t-h-e s-u-p-e-r-i-o-r-t-y o-f y-o-u-r p-l-u-g-i-n t-o u-s? Since it's obviously so much better?

Rovastar

18th September 2003 14:33 UTC

th3matr1x,

I really do not get your point here. WHat are you trying to prove? I am flexable enough if you had to a new plugin to post it here as I know some members want to see the whole spectrum of visualization stuff. But I don't want to see you over pimping your stuff or overly slagging off AVS.

Obviously a custom written 3d hardware driven OPenGL/Direct X plugin/program will run quicker, etc then the CPU based AVS but showing of this obvious fact is getting you nowhere.

But sadly for you one thing that AVS has got that you haven't is a sense of community. THe community is what makes AVS popular and grow all the time. To dis AVS is to also dis the community.

UnConeD

18th September 2003 14:39 UTC

/me hears a big *clunk* coming on...

Rovastar

18th September 2003 14:59 UTC

:)