skupers

26th August 2003 09:12 UTC

S-A-P AVS Contest
I didn't know if you guys had seen this already, but on DeviantArt there's an Simple-As-Possible AVS contest. Full article here . It's quite refreshing to make something without dynmovs or sscs once.

Tuggummi

26th August 2003 09:34 UTC

Sounds great. I hope someone who doesn't do all thos whacky 3D raytraced dm's, ssc's and stuff doesn't win.

Deamon

26th August 2003 09:58 UTC

It wouldn't be s-a-p if somebody like that would, right? I'm wondering where the judges at devart put their lines.

skupers

26th August 2003 11:53 UTC

The article says:

No dynamic movements, distance modifiers, or shifts.
No superscopes.

That are the only rules. But you can still use the bump, which can be programmed to for example use for an alphablending-like effect (which I'm using to put that dynamic touch in my presets ;) ).

Tuggummi

26th August 2003 11:56 UTC

Yes yes, i know they can't use the heavy effects, but they still can enter and make simple stuff :) I just thought it would be "wrong" for someone advanced to win :rolleyes:

Magic.X

26th August 2003 12:36 UTC

N00000b contest! lol

I like the idea!

horse-fly

26th August 2003 20:40 UTC

the link doesn't work for me

Edit: oh wait, there we go

[Ishan]

27th August 2003 10:46 UTC

we're going to see a lot of n00b presets there:rolleyes:

Deamon

27th August 2003 16:16 UTC

enjoy ;)

[Ishan]

27th August 2003 17:17 UTC

yeah, i mean movement is the only better thing we could use then.

anubis2003

27th August 2003 17:19 UTC

Someone should make a new APE that does the same thing as a SSC or DM. :p They couldn't getcha for that. :p

[Ishan]

27th August 2003 17:45 UTC

if ssc's are not allowed which render would you use then?
simple?oscillating star?rotating stars?dot grid?bass spin?:eek:

GET REAL PLEASE!:p

horse-fly

27th August 2003 19:00 UTC

ishan, there is a difference between noob presets and old school.

Warrior of the Light

27th August 2003 21:40 UTC

I've been trying all afternoon, but all I get has been done, done and overdone before. The idea was tempting, I admit, but it just not realizable. Let's face it; we cant live without SSC's and DM's ;'(

Deamon

27th August 2003 22:14 UTC

old school has still dynamic distance modifier

horse-fly

28th August 2003 07:32 UTC

actually, most old presets i remember of rarely even used the ddm. most were based on some type of movement for some effect, but superscopes were common... nuts.

Edit:

rattaplan: this is how spoiled you newbs are, and i can say that as i have been working with avs since people were amazed by the implementation of the dymanic shift.

Doggy Dog

28th August 2003 08:53 UTC

Ooh, now that's MY teritory :).

Tuggummi

28th August 2003 11:18 UTC

I agree with horse-fly, You new folk are too spoiled :p Tho even i don't understand the forbidding of superscopes... i have avsed for 4 years now and i have always been able to use superscopes... well maybe it's better, because i doubt anyone would settle for "only simple superscopes" :rolleyes:

Anyway, here is my entry to the contest. I think it's an ok sample that you can indeed do cool stuff even without the megaeffects.

Warrior of the Light

28th August 2003 11:19 UTC

Horse-Fly, mind who you're talking to! Who are you calling a newb? i've been AVS'ing for well over 3 years now... I know very well what i'm talking about. It's just that i didn't have an internet connection bavk in those days. I've been using 3.5" disks to share presets with my friends... Aah.. the old days

horse-fly

28th August 2003 19:47 UTC

the idea is nowadays, that most people use superscopes and dm's, not even realizing that there are other effects in the library. Of course those are most customizable, but you can some times get the same effect when using some of those "noobish" or as i call them old school effects.

The only reason i called you a newb (i didn't know that you worked with avs for 3 years now) is that you (among other people) have become too dependent on superscopes and dynamic movements. Most of the forum entries here are based on the science of avs, just to become more technically pleasing, when the art of avs is lost.

So as you have been working with avs for three years, you should well know how to make presets without the need for most of those dynamic trans.

Warrior of the Light

28th August 2003 20:05 UTC

I do, but static presets have been around for so long, almost everything has been done before. This makes it extremely difficult to come up with something that's never been seen before.

That's what I meant with not being able to live without dynamics. I mean, look at today's presets and at the oldschool presets. the older ones are very repetative compared to what we're doing today. Especially the use of timers gives you so much more freedom.

And yeah, we still have the DDM... And Horse-Fly, you know what? you're right. I haven't been using that one almost ever since the DM, although I do use other effects, but I have a *LOT* of unpublished work that uses them, but that isn't worth publishing. But thing is, that i'm currently working on finding out how to handle complexer 3D SSC's myself.. Yeah, I know, d/l 3 random packs and i should be able to know everything I need to know, but the sport is to find things out myself in advanve instead of ripping someone elses code apart afterward... That's what keeps me AVS'sing, breaking my brain over having the code written out in my mind... hmmmm...

nixa

30th August 2003 16:46 UTC

I returned from my vacation just in time for a contest :)
And I remember a time when there was no warp or bylinear filtering but there were still cool presets.

jheriko

30th August 2003 23:12 UTC

I actually managed to make a couple of decent presets with no DMs and SSCs... I still managed to fill one of them with a shit ton of code and a raytraced torus though. :)

Deamon

31st August 2003 21:27 UTC

how n00bies, jheriko ;)

zamuz

4th September 2003 02:42 UTC

i made one too, but as tugg pointed out, it's not 'right' that we use apes in the entries, although they're not denied. i think i've been depending lately on some apes, but i guess that's the only chance left knowing that nullsoft won't update avs.

Tuggummi

4th September 2003 07:15 UTC

Yeah, but zamuz you have no need to take my words seriously, im just a fanatic about "0ldsk00l avs" and probably the only one in this contest... Use your damn monkeys, but don't be suprised if i bitch about it :p

zamuz

5th September 2003 00:56 UTC

i think el-vis didn't use apes either... and i love my monkeys, keep your bitches away from em :)

Raz

5th September 2003 17:49 UTC

I'm currently experimenting with plane DM's without rotation in movements. Quite interesting.

skupers

6th September 2003 17:11 UTC

The winner of the contest should be announced soon. I think the judges will have a hard time, there were so many great entries.

Synth-C

25th September 2003 18:48 UTC

When will the results be published?

skupers

25th September 2003 19:13 UTC

I have no idea. They should have been published 3 weeks ago. I'll send a note to avs-king.

Tuggummi

26th September 2003 06:03 UTC

The results are gone, they were posted like 2 weeks ago and they soon vanished from the mainpage (because of the other news posts) and there seems to be no way to surf old news topics :(

anubis2003

26th September 2003 06:06 UTC

yeah, I thought I had seen them.

Magic.X

26th September 2003 06:11 UTC

Damn! I obviously missed them. :(

Tuggummi

26th September 2003 06:18 UTC

Well nemo won in case your wondering.

skupers

26th September 2003 06:59 UTC

I didn't even see Nemo's submission. I guess I'll have to check it out.

Synth-C

26th September 2003 19:56 UTC

can somebody post the results here?

Tuggummi

27th September 2003 13:32 UTC

There are no other results than the winner :igor:

Yathosho

27th September 2003 13:44 UTC

google found it, the official announce is here

Tuggummi

27th September 2003 14:19 UTC

yay google :)
google vs devart
1 - 0

NemoOrange

28th September 2003 08:13 UTC

direct linkage to the deviation:

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/2977369

Honestly, this contest started with the best of intentions but people kinda lost focus of SIMPLE aspect of it. It was great to see El-vis' stuff, very old school.