zippy666

8th July 2003 11:43 UTC

how to be original?
Hello

Ok I am going to take the jump and try and program some AVS content.

Only problem is their are 1000's of avs presets and I want to create some original content.

So how does one go about creating original content?

Also whats the deal on avs preset re-mix's?

Just need some pointers please.

Thanks

zippy666

Phaze1987

8th July 2003 12:39 UTC

Original preset = innovating preset or stuff that was never done before.
Remixed presets = preset made by Mr.X and changed(add/remove stuff) by Mr.Y
Read the FAQ and the AVS primer before you start making something original :) Also,search the Troubleshooting subforum when having problems,you might find the answer there.

anubis2003

8th July 2003 14:35 UTC

In order to make something truly original, you gotta do something somewhat complex. It is hard to make an original preset, as there are tens of thousands of presets out there.

In my opinion, learning how to code SSC's and DM's is the best way to go with AVS. Basically everything else has been done before - there are some things left to do that would make good presets, but it becomes difficult. With SSC's and DM's you really get a hold on what the preset is doing. Coding these isn't too hard, but it may take some time to get started depending on what you know about coding and what math you're in. Good luck.

horse-fly

9th July 2003 06:30 UTC

actually, the preset doesn't have to be very complex at all, as some of my most original presets are actually quite basic. The main thing to do is to capture the song in a interesting way, like think of some modern art... as it just may be a couple of lines, maybe you could do something with those lines...

perhaps you always try to capture an inanimate object in avs, like a music reactive tree, or something like it. Just try something, get an idea, then expand on it

mikm

9th July 2003 06:35 UTC

Yes, but it is much easier to be original with SSCs and DMs than it is with non-scripted components.

horse-fly

9th July 2003 06:52 UTC

i agree with that, but those ssc's and dm's do not always require complex codes or what not

mikm

9th July 2003 06:54 UTC

You have to be complex to be original- the more basic you are the more likely it is that it has been done before.

horse-fly

9th July 2003 07:08 UTC

no, you don't, the more code you put into a dm, the more likely it will end up like a completely onbeat dependent dm preset.

i have been told by a grip load of people that i am quite original avs'er, but i almost never ever use complicated dm's or ssc's. i don't even know how to code 3d ssc, but it never held me back. I try to use minimal variables, to hold back on complexities, using only 2 or at most 3 changing variable (not x,y,d,r vari's) look at almost any of my presets.

the main thing is to accomplish a new way to make something react to music. complication is not always necessary

dirkdeftly

9th July 2003 08:41 UTC

okay, best way to be original is stop asking other people what to do and do something that hasn't been done before, in your own particular style. how do you know what's not been done before? go through a LOT of other peoples' presets, learn what can and can't be done, then how to do what can be done.

imo trying to "capture a song in a preset" is something like trying to capture a gnat in a colliander...:my $0.02:

sidd

9th July 2003 08:45 UTC

well, the most original stuff i have seen in avs comes from those that have *apparantly* not seen very much of the vast AVS world.
IE, Shock Value's early work, and that pack called "the goods" by that daren someone guy.

Remixing is often a poor excuse for one artist not being able to fill a whole pack, and a few other artists not being able to have their own ideas. But occasionally, remixes can be really really cool.
Some artists in particular, such as Tuggummi and Skupers have captured the art of bringing their own unique styles to other peoples work.

Anyway, if you want to make nice original presets do this.
1. Get an idea
2. Work out how to do it in avs
3. do it

and not this.
1. open avs
2. chuck some stuff in
3. Fiddle around with some random coding.
4. whack in a color scheme and give it a name that sort of suits it.

Also, read atero's Primer, ande download some packs by the grandfathers of avs: eg. Tuggummi, Unconed, Atero, Duo, AVSKing, El-VIS, Skupers, Undefined, blah blah blah. Just to see what has and has not been done yet.

Nic01

9th July 2003 09:19 UTC

Hmm, I *really* doubt that NDD is one of the grandpas...
BTW, sidd, I usually do steps 1, 2, and 4 of the "not this" :)

Phaze1987

9th July 2003 12:49 UTC

Sidd : what if i like a preset a lot and i just want to see how it would look like using my touch ?

Yathosho

9th July 2003 13:18 UTC

Originally posted by anubis2003
In order to make something truly original, you gotta do something somewhat complex.

Originally posted by anubis2003
In my opinion, learning how to code SSC's and DM's is the best way to go with AVS.

skupers

9th July 2003 14:10 UTC

Originally posted by siddhartha_one
Remixing is often a poor excuse for one artist not being able to fill a whole pack, and a few other artists not being able to have their own ideas. But occasionally, remixes can be really really cool.
Some artists in particular, such as Tuggummi and Skupers have captured the art of bringing their own unique styles to other peoples work.

[Ishan]

9th July 2003 17:09 UTC

well, i'm not too original, but i do occasionally get an Idea(only to find it has been done before:( )But i make it in my own way.

horse-fly

10th July 2003 01:07 UTC

i hope all of this ends up helping zippy....

mikm

10th July 2003 02:53 UTC

i doubt it.

dirkdeftly

10th July 2003 02:58 UTC

Hmm, I *really* doubt that I am one of the grandpas... ;)

anubis2003

10th July 2003 03:02 UTC

So do I.:p

Phaze1987

10th July 2003 20:43 UTC

I think that the meaning of grandpa in sidd`s post is "guy who did something useful for the AVS scene". And i bet you probably knew this :P

[Ishan]

11th July 2003 17:24 UTC

well atleast i'm not a "grandpa":D

NemoOrange

12th July 2003 22:25 UTC

My source of originality is usually stealing someone else's ideas and putting my own spin on it. Like Picasso said, good artists borrow, great artists steal.

dirkdeftly

12th July 2003 23:01 UTC

like every single person on the face of this earth and his brother has been credited with saying at one point or another; good artists borrow, great artists steal.

I-Did-Your-Mom

14th July 2003 08:23 UTC

Its cool to use other code and tweak it and if it screws up restart it and just credit the people you use there coding and it may sound stupid but i credit for even base code i use.. But still i suck and here are two you can mess around with. There is a bit of coding and what not. I dont know if you know any code so if you dont then here is something to start with im still learning it. If you want help will anything or if you need some people that will know my contacts are:
AIM: TheMost1337hax0r
MSN MESS: hip_hop_honky_85@hotmail.com

mikm

14th July 2003 12:34 UTC

What do you mean "other code"? If it is by other people, you have

yet it is all the same- WAAY to messy. Make the r=r*9 lower (and an integer). Anyways, you need to do much more with this so it doesn't look like every other n00b preset.

For the other, same thing.

Its hard to improve/remix n00b presets. It is much better to start over from scratch. The more complex and original, the easier it is.

Oh...hacker is h4x0r not hax0r

NemoOrange

16th July 2003 02:34 UTC

well I heard it from Picasso.

dirkdeftly

16th July 2003 03:33 UTC

WELL YOU SUCK! :D :I

I-Did-Your-Mom

16th July 2003 03:54 UTC

Atero I know I suck :D oh yeah and its h4x0r if you hack computers but a hax0r is someone that "hacks" in CS (aka cheats) Im not here to pretend to besome one Im not nor try to impress people. Im just here for the beer

dirkdeftly

16th July 2003 05:21 UTC

since when is everything about you here...just because it's your damn thread, you think it's YOUR thread? psh. :hang:
<edit> wait. it's not your thread. dammit i hate it when that happens >_<

Phaze1987

16th July 2003 18:26 UTC

LOL

Raz

17th July 2003 04:34 UTC

Am i the only one who looks at someone who calls themself a "1337 h4x0r" and thinks, "sad detestable prick"? Not having a personal dig at you mr : obnoxious handle :, just expressing an opinion.

*Raz talks like a hacksaw*

mikm

17th July 2003 05:36 UTC

I agree. I think that most people who have h4x0r in their email/sig/whatever are really hacker wannabes because I doubt that real hackers advertise it. Being an elite cheater is even worse.

JaY FaTBoY

17th July 2003 15:40 UTC

m²k, you wacked off the first year of avs as unoriginal :) with that complexity thing :D I suppose a granpa is anyone that has experienced good old avs without dms and only 256 letter SS's. For me one is original when just with a glipse of his preset you can tell who he is - HF, Nemo, Zen-X, Tuggummi... Style is different from technique
:cool:
Hey, granpa HF, bring your big bro a beer!
*revived an old thread, atero, kill me, man*

Raz

17th July 2003 16:58 UTC

That may be a grandpa but i really don't see that as a good thing, it means the person has just done the same style over and over. Fair enough if its so complex you can tell UnConeD did it or something like that but if its just the same style over and over doesn't that get a little tedious. I prefer packs with a whole variety of different styles where inspiration could have come from anywhere and anyone. I mean come on lets face it. A pack full of *insert avs artist here* style presets would be pretty boring.

dirkdeftly

18th July 2003 03:43 UTC

umm, one day old isn't dead. one week is getting there. three months deserves a kick in the balls.

two years should be made a bannable offense.

JaY FaTBoY

18th July 2003 08:56 UTC

Damnit, i am not talking about variety, but style :D. It's the way you make things not the things themselves. When i dl a pack from nemo i wanna see the stuff the way he wants it. It doesn't bother if it's influenced by someone else, even better. It's his typical colours. Or HF's crazyness. I would die if i see HF making a "pink-flow" pack, however one preset wouldn't be bad :o
_______
So if i revive that oneto say "free at last, free at last" you will get a heartdiversion :winamp:

I-Did-Your-Mom

18th July 2003 09:03 UTC

Damnit, i am not talking about variety, but style . It's the way you make things not the things themselves. When i dl a pack from nemo i wanna see the stuff the way he wants it. It doesn't bother if it's influenced by someone else, even better. It's his typical colours