babyjocko

26th May 2003 00:59 UTC

Radeon and AVS Overlay
I'm using S-video TV out and expect to get AVS to show up on my TV, but to no avail. Winamp video outputs fine; WMP video outputs fine; WinTV outputs fine; But, Winamp AVS does not.

AVS overlays to the desktop fine. But when in windowed mode, the TV receives only one frame then freezes while the AVS continues in its window on my primary display.

I have never had this problem with 3 different Matrox cards. This is my first AVS overlay attempt on this new ATI Radeon 9800 Pro card. I have tried various resolutions and color depths with same results.

Here's my setup:

ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB, Cat 3.4 (latest)
WinXP Pro 2600.xpsp2.021108-1929 (sp1+)
Abit IC7-G
P4 3.0 800FSB
Corsair TwinX1024 PC3200 (1GB)

dirkdeftly

26th May 2003 03:39 UTC

what versions of winamp and avs have you tried? i reccomend winamp 2.91 and avs 2.5

babyjocko

26th May 2003 04:22 UTC

I'm using Winamp 2.91 with AVS 2.6.0

[Ishan]

26th May 2003 08:18 UTC

I have never tried to get avs on my TV:D

Zevensoft

26th May 2003 14:05 UTC

I'd update to the latest catalyst drivers (3.4) www.ati.com and try having a look at the overlay settings.

babyjocko

26th May 2003 16:37 UTC

As I have stated, I have the latest Catalyst drivers. I have also verified (many times) the overlay settings. As I have stated, I have no problem with overlay outputting any other source including Winamp video, WMP, Power DVD, WinTV, Quicktime, ect. The problem only exists with Winamp AVS. None of my other 3 Matrox cards have this problem.

I was wondering if anyone else with a Radeon card has experienced this. It would appear that there is something within AVS that is not compatible with Catalyst drivers.

dirkdeftly

27th May 2003 01:40 UTC

try avs 2.5...it's less buggy and easier to use

:my $0.02:

babyjocko

27th May 2003 03:38 UTC

Are you suggesting that I replace AVS 2.6 with 2.5 by replacing Winamp 2.91 with 2.76? Or are you saying that I can just replace the AVS alone? If so, how can that be done and where would I find AVS 2.5 without it being attached to a full Winamp?

dirkdeftly

27th May 2003 04:59 UTC

well i was going to post it but it's too big...download an older version of winamp and reinstall it in a different directory. copy avs into your winamp 2.91 directory, then uninstall the old winamp and reinstall winamp 2.91 *without* avs support. that ought to do it, but don't quote me ;)

Magic.X

27th May 2003 14:11 UTC

Yeah, just copy the visavs dll to your current winamp. The new version caused a lot of trouble (look down this Forum, there's a huge thread) thats why nearly none of us uses it ;)

UnConeD

28th May 2003 01:11 UTC

Err you guys are missing the point though. AFAIK the overlay code hasn't changed one bit since it was introduced.

It's probably a driver issue. Mess around in your driver's control panel, I believe Radeons have a theatre-mode for overlays or similar.

anubis2003

28th May 2003 01:24 UTC

Getting the overlay mode to work with AVS can be tricky - it took me a while. Just make sure all of your card's options are setup correctly and doublecheck AVS's overlay options as well.

babyjocko

28th May 2003 01:48 UTC

OK, thanks for that advice, but AVS 2.5 does not solve my problem. Trust me folks, I've done everything I can do from my Catalyst 3.4 setup. I may not know how to program these drivers, but I know how to set them up correctly.

As I have said, every other program I have that uses overlay redirects to my TV without a problem, including Winamp video. There is nothing wrong with my setup. Also, I have said that this was never a problem with any of my Matrox cards. So, apparently there is either a snag between AVS and the Catalyst drivers or there is something else within my system causing a conflict.

What would really help at this point would be some feedback from people who have Radeon cards and whether or not they have successfully redirected the overlay to their TV. I would find it hard to believe that no one else among the zillion Radeon card owners in the world have tried doing this.

UnConeD

28th May 2003 04:15 UTC

I remember reading somewhere that overlay can cause problems with resolutions > 1024x768 on certain setups.

Jaheckelsafar

28th May 2003 08:24 UTC

I haven't had a problem with my 9700, but I haven't hooked my computer up to the TV, only my laptop with a rage mobility chip. I've use AVS in overlay mode on my desktop no problem. I believe I'm currently using Catalyst 3.1, display is 1280x1024.

toq3r

29th May 2003 11:35 UTC

w00t l00t d00dz
Ok, I'm an 8 year IT vet, I call myself a vet because ID 10 Tee's and luzers sort of got me burnted out on it (that's what I say to myself to make my unemployment tolerable. Uggh!) I've been to the nullsoft offices bringing gifts of 1980's computers that I knew Justin and Christophe grew up on. Also got to go to some classic arcade cabinet game expo with them and watch them help a MAME author out by getting astroids to run on a overhead laser. Trust me fellas, I know WTF i'm talkin about and I *might* know what the problem is...

The workaround for this (switching the TV output to primary display and monitor to secondary display) Sucks ass because you end up with dialog boxes popping up on the primary display, i.e. the TV. You don't want your users seeing no freeekin dialog boxes over their acid melt plugins, that just plain wrong. Not only that but your windows taskbar will be on the TV too! Totally useless workaround by my standards.

I understand sort of how the video overlay works, it's not a real pixel by pixel display of the AVS, it's hardware stretched over a patch, or a color that you choose(grabbed from the video buffer on the card). The problem is, I think most video cards only do video overlay on one display at a time.

It's going to take some poking, but probably somewhere around hkey>local machine>hardware>ati is a key for which display overlay get's enabled on. I just installed this machine at the (plug coming) 7 Bamboo Karaoke bar, 4th and Jackson San Jose, CA. Anyone who wants to see exactly WTF i'm talking about can come down, have a beer, and sing a song because that's our new karaoke machine. (21+ only)

So yeah, in short, the machine for me to check it on isn't here. I'm goin down there tomorrow and i'll look for it, poke it with a stick, and maybe put my slimy finger in the registry's dirty nono places until I can make it squeal overlay on the 2nd display.

Hope that helps, good luck.

--toq

toq3r

29th May 2003 12:11 UTC

3VIL D035 N0T Sl33P
I had to find out something before i was at ease enough to sleep...

I found a usefull page, Near the bottom it says something about ATI MMC (multimedia center?) and talks about a solution for the overlay problem. Can't wait for my 8 hours so I can go down and try it, or read that it worked for the parent :-D

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon-tv-out/

--toq

dirkdeftly

29th May 2003 20:31 UTC

i think i'd be more inclined to believe a word you're saying if you didn't spam hardware specs and didn't brag about how much you "know" about computers and how "1337" you are...

:my $0.04:

toq3r

29th May 2003 20:37 UTC

Originally posted by Atero
i think i'd be more inclined to believe a word you're saying if you didn't spam hardware specs and didn't brag about how much you "know" about computers and how "1337" you are...

:my $0.04:

mikm

29th May 2003 23:41 UTC

however...here networking and hardware have little to do about beeing 1337. All that matters is coding, so your "1337" hardware and networking skills are useless.

babyjocko

30th May 2003 02:35 UTC

toger, great info! I will look through that and see if Rage3dTweak can help.

2b continued...

toq3r

30th May 2003 08:29 UTC

Originally posted by m^2k
however...here networking and hardware have little to do about beeing 1337. All that matters is coding, so your "1337" hardware and networking skills are useless.

Jaheckelsafar

30th May 2003 09:16 UTC

Whoah. What the hell's up with this whole leetness talk here. Who gives a damn?

Geez, who cares how much people know about how hardware works or how complicated your code is? So I can write a program that can lowlevel format a harddrive. So I can write my goo cube scope. So I can replace a blown resistor on my motherboard. Who cares?

Christ, people are getting hot under the collar here.

toq3r

30th May 2003 09:31 UTC

Originally posted by Jaheckelsafar
Whoah. What the hell's up with this whole leetness talk here. Who gives a damn?

toq3r

30th May 2003 09:39 UTC

Oh one more thing guys..

Here I am.. I'm the bald motherfucker beating that nullsoft employee at DDR. Christophe's kaillera forums have been a little dry lately and this troll needs a new place to play for a while :-D Hopefully I can help be a good winamp evangelist because here, that IS the ONLY thing that matters.

http://ronography.com/?display=Trips...2-0201_IMG.JPG

UnConeD

30th May 2003 10:35 UTC

toqer: there were 14 helpful posts with short bursts of advice, until you showed up, and I quote:

Trust me fellas, I know WTF i'm talkin about and I *might* know what the problem is...

In this mode the overlay contents in the clone mode will be shown on the second display in the full-screen mode.

Raz

30th May 2003 10:42 UTC

*sigh* another day another pointless argument suspiciously involving atero in every one, what a surprise :rolleyes:

toq3r

30th May 2003 10:55 UTC

LOL raz, is there something I should know about him??? We got one over on kaillera forums named mystique. Haha whatever atero come down to my bar and have a drink on me :-)

I did check out your page atero , you're an incredible mathmatician, i'll hand you that in a hat. No hard feelings ok? I'd actually like to use some of your AVS's at the karaoke bar if you dont mind.

Man this post started out nice but then I had to add something. Atero I tried to post that damn image cause that looks so much nicer than a link... How many words is a pic worth? I guess the forum is just set up to not let me <img src=anyting. Either that or phpgraphy is preventing. Or -C has his webserver to tell referrers to fsck off. Whatever happened, stupid pic just didn't blah blah vlah.. blagfgity bllwow wow.

Raz

30th May 2003 11:38 UTC

[i*mg]http://www.urlhere.com/image.jpg[/i*mg]
Remove the stars and put your image url in. You can't do it in the AVS forums though because the "img" code is turned off. See "forum rules" at the bottom of the page.

babyjocko

30th May 2003 17:19 UTC

Getting back on topic, I have gone through just about everything Rage3DTweak offers with no change in result. AVS still only spits out the first screen to the TV. Whenever I resize the AVS window on my primary display or whenever I change a setup parameter in the Catalyst driver the static image on the TV refreshes.

This is really a bummer because I use this feature for entertaining. When I have a party, I play music and redirect the AVS onto the big screen. Actually, I have found that Winamp AVS is the only visualization that even uses overlay. WMP and Real does not.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to either dedicate one of my other computers with a Matrox G400 - G550 to do that particular job or wait for an update from either Catalyst or AVS. It will probably be the latter because everything else I have in this current setup is fantastic, including overlay redirect of all video to the big screen.

toq3r

30th May 2003 19:14 UTC

Try atero theater mode thingee too, im gonna tweak it today, in fact I tatooed it on my arm.

HEY BAY AREA GEEKS ITS FRIDAY NIGHT TIME TO HIT UP SOME WINAMP KARAOKE AT THE 7 BABMBOO W00h00! 4th and Jackson San Jose motherfukaz!

dirkdeftly

30th May 2003 19:59 UTC

umm

you can suck my balls, toqer. don't fucking touch my presets. i don't my name getting associated with assholes such as yourself. in plain point of fact i don't give a fuck if you can poke the spot on an atari 800 to change the background in mode 1, you're still a fucking moron. that might change if you stopped pissing and moaning about how much better than us you are whilst acting like a flaming newbie at the same time.


p.s., you might take note that the *only* person on this forum (that i know of) who lives anywhere near ca is nic01 and he's 14 - and he lives in reno.

Raz

30th May 2003 20:12 UTC

Damn atero you sure like asking people to suck your balls.

My advice, get a hooker, then maybe when someone irritates you you wont be a hypocritte, "pissing and moaning", you asked for that one, no one pisses and moans more than you. Normally i would just leave it but you don't _ever_ stop griping and whingeing. Shut up already, give us your great knowledge and whenever you're pissed off go play hitman or something, just stop involving yourself in these pointless flame wars.

toq3r

30th May 2003 20:51 UTC

Hey atwerpo,

IN SOVIET RUSSIA BALLS SUCK YOU!

Hey are you sure you're not mystink from the kaillera.com forums? You really remind me of he/she/it.

I'm gonna use your presets anyways, just to be a even bigger asshole. How do you like them apples monkey? Try and stop me.

mikm

30th May 2003 21:24 UTC

would a mod PLEASE lock this thread. it is completly pointless and is just another god damned flame war.

Gonzotek

30th May 2003 21:40 UTC

Locked. Babyjocko, sorry for the inconvience.

-=Gonzotek=-

Rovastar

30th May 2003 22:23 UTC

OK easy ppl

toqer as a newbie to this forums (with less then 20 post you are) it show a lack of respect others by showing off initially. Cool you know your stuff guess what a lot of other ppl do to. Challenging ppl is not going to get your useful comment noticed and respected. Showing off a king of the castle only means you are likely for a fall.

Pack it in.

Atero,

For gudz stake will you please chill it I am sick of your moaning you had a great chance to prove your maturity and not respond to they flame and you failed. Sure you where 'attacked' first but bit your tongue are you will be here no more. I will not tell you again you have been banned once do not make me make it a per,m. one.


oh my PM box is full so do not complain to me until I come back from a quick pint.

Chill peopel yooou are lucky I am in a good mode today.