Phaze1987

5th May 2003 09:38 UTC

Contest - we need one!
Boys and girls,its been a long time since there was an AVS contest.A new contest would be a breath of air during these days of boredom.What do you think ? Contest or no contest ?

Tuggummi

5th May 2003 09:40 UTC

No.

Well not at wa-dot-com anyway... too much n00by n00bs so it would take FOREVER to go trough all contest entries...

Phaze1987

5th May 2003 09:47 UTC

Or you can make 2 groups - advanced and newbie.Its better on the forums,DA is slow and not all AVSers are there...

Tuggummi

5th May 2003 10:03 UTC

true not all avs artist are at da, only people who know better are at da.

And da is much better than the forums or wa-dot-com will ever be, why? Because there is much more community spirit there.

Winamp-dot-com? nobody ever comments the avs packs there...
forums? just a bunch of people post pumping and flaming each other and too much tech talk here, no wonder n00bs don't feel welcome when all they receive is a bunch of code lines in response.

shreyas_potnis

5th May 2003 10:34 UTC

argh...never been to dev art :(

Raz

5th May 2003 10:42 UTC

Yeah but for those of us with dialup deviantart isn't exactly the easiest of sites to navigate.

Phaze1987

5th May 2003 10:53 UTC

You forgot the purpose of this thread...COntest or no contest ? :)

Magic.X

5th May 2003 11:01 UTC

OK here ya go:

Contest aim: a good opensource ape project

Best wins ... erm, uh ... a warm handshake! :)

blazer1504

5th May 2003 11:34 UTC

I could take part if it's a color manip contest, otherwise .. no thanks :rolleyes:

Magic.X

5th May 2003 11:37 UTC

What ever you please, just get an idea and start working on it. This isnt bound to any topic then creating some Apes :D

Tuggummi

5th May 2003 12:45 UTC

Flow contest would be nice, You could only use 1 superscope & 1 dynamic movement 1 effect list & 1 trans effect of your choice... Then we would have a pack with some pretty fast flow presets that would run in high resolutions :)

Im thinking: "new picks 2" :D :p

Magic.X

5th May 2003 13:03 UTC

Minimalistic AVS??? This seems to be stuff for peopel like UnConeD who can superload the scripts with one GB of mathcode and more. :p
and new pick 2 would result in an over FLOW of noob pres.

But maybe we could do both, APE contest and this one.

sidd

5th May 2003 13:34 UTC

i think tuggs idea is good, only wed have to change the conditions because i bet hes planning something.

Tuggummi

5th May 2003 13:35 UTC

Well my idea is that we would then have PROFFESIONAL n00b presets :p (sounds bit stupid eeh?) Anyone can make "cool" presets with load of effects, but what if the effects were limited? That requires skill to make them look good, not just "toss it up"...

But if you like using effects then go ahead... just a thought... :igor:

Raz

5th May 2003 14:21 UTC

I really like tugs idea. One scope, one effect list, one DM and lets say two trans effects, we want more than one decent preset tug. It would take a lot more skill to make that look better, and it might deter noobs if it's like that.

Magic.X

5th May 2003 14:27 UTC

Ok, i didnt say thi idea was bad. But we'd need What about Buffer Save and Effect Lists?

Raz

5th May 2003 14:31 UTC

scope, one effect list, one DM

Tuggummi

5th May 2003 14:53 UTC

Ok maybe not that much limited, but speed is the key here nevertheless. I think it would please a lot of people who think "AVS is slow & crappy" :D

Hmm... maybe...

1 superscope
1 dynamic movement
2 effect lists
1 buffer save (with save)
1 buffer save (with restore)
2 trans effects (General APE's allowed, like colormap, texer, convolution)

I think the presets would still work pretty fast if nobody goes over those limits, but of course if they don't use any GIANT superscopes or GIANT DM's with numpoints 10 000 and grid size 100x100 :igor:

Good idea? I dunno :igor: Would be nice to see a pack full of simple presets made by the "AVS - elite" :p

[EDIT]
One more thing, i think some effects could be "free" like fadeout since it really doesn't slow down the preset at all.
[/EDIT]

Raz

5th May 2003 15:12 UTC

Free effects should be: fadeout, brightness, fast brightness. All the misc except buffer.

Tuggummi

5th May 2003 15:17 UTC

brightness sucks up quite a lot of fps when dealing with simple presets, maybe it's not so noticeable with the heavy effect presets, but it does suck up a load of fps. Fast brite also sucks fps up a bit, but i agree, it could be free too since it is pretty basic.

Raz

5th May 2003 15:23 UTC

Are we going to keep this idea then. Shall we keep these as the final terms? Who's going to judge? Where's it going?

Tuggummi

5th May 2003 15:30 UTC

Im in if that's what you are asking :)

Vote? Or make another thread and vote there? i dunno... what is the best way to deal with this?

Phaze1987

5th May 2003 17:51 UTC

I agree with everything...Lets do it ! But not on DA my password doesnt work and recovery pass doesnt work too...:(

Raz

5th May 2003 18:02 UTC

Should we start a thread and start taking in submissions or what?

Phaze1987

5th May 2003 18:08 UTC

what`s wrong with this one ? You already finished the preset ? Btw can the superscope be replaced by a pic for example ?

Raz

5th May 2003 18:21 UTC

how about these as the final terms?
Flow preset contest
terms:
1: one superscope (can be replaced by any render object)
2: one dynamic movement
3: two effect lists
4: two buffers, one save, one restore
5: two trans effects, including simple movements limited to very few lines (General APE's allowed, like colormap, texer, convolution)
6: one other render object
7: any ammount of fadeout, brightness, fast brightness and all the misc except buffer.

edit: what about clear screens? should they be unlimited or counted as a render object?

Phaze1987

5th May 2003 18:36 UTC

GREAT! I agree. Everyone who wants in just say YES or I AGREE.Have fun! Oh and who will decide who`s preset is the best ? I propose me Raz Tugg and Anubis :) (me cause i started the thread and had the idea :p)

Nic01

5th May 2003 23:08 UTC

I don't know about fadeout... It can be used as a very good render for flow presets... (See FF6 - Tuggummi - Smoothies)
Invert can also be used as that, though the beginning strobing would make the preset-viewing experience not-so-relaxing...

I suggest that the submissions are e-mailed, with limit of submissions. Maybe limited updates? (Otherwise we'll copy the real-life model of beta-version releases of games... *shudders*)
For those that go over the limit, the latest update will be the one graded/voted on no matter what...

I also suggest that contestants have 1 wildcard render/trans... Different people tend to have different specialties...

We'll see how this contest grows out :)

P.S. : Post the participating presets over DA too once the contest done in a pack ;)

Phaze1987

5th May 2003 23:22 UTC

whoa,seems like i had a good idea.Im amazed :igor: !

mikm

6th May 2003 00:16 UTC

what about Multiplier, can that be used an unlimited amt. instead of fast brightness--> it would go much faster

congrats. on the major dude

hungryskull

6th May 2003 02:51 UTC

I will enter the contest. Can I post the preset here when I finish it.

[Ishan]

6th May 2003 06:47 UTC

I agree too.Where will we have to submit once wr are finished?

Tuggummi

6th May 2003 07:04 UTC

Hmm... it might be too difficult to handle this trough email, also because i think there should be more reviewers than one. Also, who will review the reviewers entries or are they even allowed to enter the contest? :)

Phaze1987

6th May 2003 09:25 UTC

Ok...Like i said a few posts above,reviewers proposal : me,Tugg,Raz,Nic.The entries of the reviewers can be reviewed by the person who does the worst preset for example or by UnConeD,i dont think he will participate or we wont let him :p Lets agree on the rules here and then for the entries we will open a new thread ok ?

Tuggummi

6th May 2003 09:43 UTC

me,Tugg,Raz,Nic

blazer1504

6th May 2003 09:46 UTC

Flow contest would be nice, You could only use 1 superscope & 1 dynamic movement 1 effect list & 1 trans effect of your choice... Then we would have a pack with some pretty fast flow presets that would run in high resolutions

Ok maybe not that much limited, but speed is the key here nevertheless. I think it would please a lot of people who think "AVS is slow & crappy"

Hmm... maybe...

1 superscope
1 dynamic movement
2 effect lists
1 buffer save (with save)
1 buffer save (with restore)
2 trans effects (General APE's allowed, like colormap, texer, convolution)

Tuggummi

6th May 2003 09:52 UTC

ACtually, you're not that far away ;) My AVS PARTY 3 pack is based on simple ideas & presets, however those presets do go over those limits :)

I haven't made any presets yet, and im not that sneaky bastard ;) :blah:

REALLY! ;)

IM NOT! HEY GUYS... IM NOT! :blah:

blazer1504

6th May 2003 10:02 UTC

and btw. I could be the judge on the contest, if you guys have nothing against it...

shreyas_potnis

6th May 2003 10:03 UTC

Well, here goes my view:

I there are any restrictions in the number of ssc's or dm's and stuff, someone could write an entire APE to do his job! :) (although I doubt anyone would :D)
the idea is fine, can we submit?

sidd

6th May 2003 10:28 UTC

no preset specific APE's!!!

if you can have that then its screwed from the start.

Phaze1987

6th May 2003 10:33 UTC

ok then Tugg is out of the reviewer list.Welcome Degnic :D

Magic.X

6th May 2003 11:07 UTC

That what i would like:

1: one render object
2: one dynamic movement
3: two effect lists
4: two buffers (no matter what method)
5: two trans effects except dm
6: one other render object except ssc
7: any ammount of fadeout, brightness, fast brightness and all the misc except buffer.

Post it all to a new topic, when finished we all vote for the best one. -> no need for reviewers

Thats it. :)

stardust_zg

6th May 2003 15:12 UTC

I'm in, too. I think I could handle that, this is type of presets I usually make :)

Can I have one extra trans effect if I don't use the other render object except ssc? :D

sidd

6th May 2003 15:41 UTC

No other render effect.. its meant to be a flow preset, so you dont need more than one render. if you have more than one, people will submit all sorts of shit.

Phaze1987

6th May 2003 17:16 UTC

OK so the list Magic posted is OK ? I agree with everything.

Raz

6th May 2003 17:22 UTC

I'm in. I'm not sure how we can go about with the reviewing though.

nixa

6th May 2003 19:09 UTC

Just something to start the contest :)
I used 1 dynamic movement, 1 convo filter, 1 color map, 2 effect lists, 2 buffers and 1 moving particle.
If the particle is a problem I can code a similar scope.

dirkdeftly

6th May 2003 20:26 UTC

sounds like fun, except for how it doesn't. i've already gotten a REALLY bad feeling about how this is going to turn out :hang:

Raz

6th May 2003 21:11 UTC

You people who say they get bad feelings about things are the people who never do anything because "it'll be shit". If it doesn't turn out to well so what, it's no major loss. We might as well try, if you don't like it don't get involved. That simple. If people think it's going to turn out bad then it'll turn out bad but if we just do it maybe, perhaps something might turn out well. You never know.

dirkdeftly

6th May 2003 22:20 UTC

yeah well when people start flaming each other over the rules and pissing and moaning because they didn't win, don't come crying to me....

Nic01

6th May 2003 23:08 UTC

One little question : Should optimization a factor in the outcome?

[Ishan]

7th May 2003 06:52 UTC

Lets put a deadline for submission of presets, i guess that'll control the limit.

Magic.X

7th May 2003 07:26 UTC

A guess max. 1 Month. That should be enough Time for all.
MAybe shorter, 2-3 weeks would also do it.

Raz

7th May 2003 07:42 UTC

What about clear screens though, do they count as a render object or what?

Magic.X

7th May 2003 08:02 UTC

As you can't do that much with a clearscreen, i'd say unlimited.

To ´make the rules clearly understandable we should i'll post a complete component list here.

sidd

7th May 2003 09:10 UTC

how bout we start another thread for submissions with precise rules at the start, and a note directing people to this thread for general chat.
cause i can see that this wil just go on and on

shreyas_potnis

7th May 2003 09:32 UTC

and what about Misc/custom bpm, I planned to use that

Tuggummi

7th May 2003 09:46 UTC

Nic01 & others: If it's a flow preset, the better it looks the faster it moves, it's as simple as that. So optimize your presets as much as you can is my advice :) And besides the whole idea was to make simple presets that work fast, think "newpicks" ;)

[Ishan]

7th May 2003 10:28 UTC

But i think flow presets should be slow and relaxing (UnconeD's - Camatose enlightment):)
i guess devart members should put a notice on site about the contest when it is finaled.

Tuggummi

7th May 2003 10:31 UTC

But even the slow ones look even more relaxing with high fps ;)

[Ishan]

7th May 2003 10:33 UTC

i guess youre right.

Magic.X

7th May 2003 10:55 UTC

Slow or hyperactive, doesnt metter. How about the dealdine?

Btw, only one preset per Artist right??

[Ishan]

7th May 2003 11:15 UTC

has the contest been finaled???
phaze has already put up a thread for the submission of preset!!!

Magic.X

7th May 2003 11:43 UTC

seems like he'S a bit impatient and wants things be get started quickly :D

So lets just get it on.

[Ishan]

7th May 2003 11:52 UTC

the deadline is 28th may , must get started soon.....

Phaze1987

7th May 2003 21:38 UTC

Neah im not impacient,it needed to be done since this thread would continue as a CAN I USE XXX or WHY NOT YYY for years...You have the rules and the deadline,shouldnt be too hard :) Oh and dont do too many Geiss-like presets ok ? :D

mikm

8th May 2003 01:24 UTC

you still never answered my question. Can we use an unlimited amount of Multiplies? (because it does the same thing as adding multiple fast brites, albiet faster)

Magic.X

8th May 2003 06:27 UTC

I'd just say yes.

Another difficult question: would a blend only DM count as a simple trans (as it does no movement)???

[Ishan]

8th May 2003 06:33 UTC

I think only 3 to 4 multiplies should be enough, it gets too bright after that.

Phaze1987

8th May 2003 08:42 UTC

5: two trans effects(General APE's allowed,like color map,texer,convolution filter,but no preset specific APEs) - no,you cant use unlimited multipliers.You can use an unlimited number of fast brightness though,even if it`s 0.5 fps slower.We had a conversation about how we try to make presets faster with 0.x frames so lets not start another one.
Magic - it is named Dynamic Movement then it is a Dynamic Movement.So no,it will count as a DM.

fsk

8th May 2003 10:48 UTC

I checked out the presets submited so far and I was pleasently suprised , but I must say that almost all of them require some color work. My personal oppinion is that presets that include almost every color in the spectrum:) are a bit crappy(there are exceptions:)). Check out some of the better designed presets and you'll surely notice that they only have two or three colors in them (at a time). you will also notice this in advertiseing, package design....blablabla :D. So my advice is grab a book about colors (this Kuppers dude made the most valid color theory so far IMO)and read about harmonies or just check out your favorite drink, bublegum,... (note that the expenisve ones are usualy better designed:D) and try to use the colors you see there:).

Magic.X

8th May 2003 10:54 UTC

Originally posted by Phaze1987
Magic - it is named Dynamic Movement then it is a Dynamic Movement.So no,it will count as a DM.

nixa

8th May 2003 14:12 UTC

Once the contest is over all submissions could be releaced in a pack. You all agree?

Magic.X

8th May 2003 14:39 UTC

Ok, no prob for me.

Tuggummi

8th May 2003 14:51 UTC

Myself i won't even bother to check out the presets until they come out in a pack :)

Ignorance is a bliss :D ;)

So no problemo over here!

Phaze1987

8th May 2003 18:08 UTC

Btw magic...you submitted 2 presets :) Which one would you like to remain in the contest ? Oh and please follow the rules,like naming presets...

Raz

9th May 2003 00:09 UTC

Heh, mine is a nice reactive speed, no hyperactivity, and nice colour contrasts, plus it's got that great, look about it :) i like watching it. Anyway What's the reviewing situation, are a few people going to review the lot or should we get people who've not submitted an entry?

Magic.X

9th May 2003 07:53 UTC

The Tentacles Remix was just for fun, it doesnt count. Take the original :D

[EDIT] Forgot about the naming convention and just zipped the original filename. Sorry, just rename it when the FC - Pack is published

Phaze1987

9th May 2003 09:46 UTC

Raz lets wait until the deadline or at least a few days before and then we shall ask some impartial avs-not-knowing people to judge the presets ok ? Like milkdroppers or GD people or tech dudes...4-5 people would be fine to make a jury.

Magic.X

9th May 2003 10:03 UTC

Why no Forums voting? Just post the poll to GD if you want to reach many peopel. Set a Deadline for the voting (maybe max 5 days) all but those who took part can vote. :)

shreyas_potnis

9th May 2003 11:17 UTC

ok, but someone who has some knowledge should decide who the winner is...

Raz

9th May 2003 16:26 UTC

The reason i didn't suggest a poll is that people will vote for their own, that simple. It doesn't matter there is going to be some unfair votes cast. We need a better voting system than just forum members on a poll. Maybe UnConeD if he doesn't submit or appears sometime. Or rovastar. Don't choose people who don't know avs because they won't recognise the work put in etc. SOmeone with a bit of avs knowledge at least.

UnConeD

9th May 2003 18:06 UTC

You do realize that you can create any amount of multipliers using one convolution, right?

Phaze1987

9th May 2003 18:50 UTC

UnConeD wanna be the judge ? How was the black and white contest judged ?

Phaze1987

9th May 2003 23:07 UTC

mquadrat here`s a small remix - i was bored :)

shreyas_potnis

10th May 2003 14:34 UTC

this one is much better than the oroginal one :)

Phaze1987

10th May 2003 18:30 UTC

How about idiot ? He knows some AVS and is pretty impartial.That is UCD doesnt want to be the judge
Thanks shreyas :)

dirkdeftly

15th May 2003 23:20 UTC

a couple questions: can you use a different render from the superscope, along with the "one extra render"? same with dm - can you use a different trans, e.g. dynamic shift or ddm?
also, can you submit multiple entries? i would assume you can...

sidd

16th May 2003 04:45 UTC

I think its one entry per person, and one update.. that was mentioned somewhere.. one entry it just plain logic for a competition, otherwise ppl could just send in 50 of their best flow presets.

And no atero, dont stretch the rules because everyone else has already played by the rules so it would be unfair to redefine them.

*It says "one render other than superscope", so you can only use one render other than superscope.
That means that you cant replace the superscope iwth another render.
You dont have to use a ssc, but then you still only have one render.

*It says nothing about replacing the dm either, so you cant do it.

*It is just logical to assume that you cant have a dm as one of your other trans if it has already mentioned one dm only.

4: unlimited number of buffers
7: any ammount of... all the misc except buffer.

dirkdeftly

16th May 2003 07:58 UTC

well then...*ahem* screw this. those rules blow, and they in fact defy common logic. consider me out, i'll have no part in this :hang:

sidd

16th May 2003 08:25 UTC

chill out and tell us what you find wrong with the rules. It would be a shame for you not to be a part of it simply because of what i said, especially after seeing the two presets you submited.

The rules are the way they are because it is meant to be a competition was meant to be for simple, fast and flowey presets.
so, tell us whats wrong with 'em

<edit> ive posted a revision of phaze's rules on the other thread.

Phaze1987

16th May 2003 09:02 UTC

IT AINT MY RULES GOD DAMMIT! Look in the other pages,its OUR fucking rules.Im sick of all this crap,nothing and i mean NOTHING can be done in peace here...Good luck to everyone at the contest,i`m gonna ignore it from now on.Oh yeah,shock value has the nicest preset in my opinion.Siddhartha : if you want,try to make order.Better said,if you can.

sidd

16th May 2003 09:07 UTC

well... arnt we a disfunctional little family.
this seems to be the way thing go around here, everyone is as stubborn, depressed and arrogant as a radiohead fan on a rainy day.
i never meant to cause any shit, sorry atero, sorry phaze

...whatever

Phaze1987

16th May 2003 09:24 UTC

Dont say sorry to me dude,you havent done anything to me,in fact,i have never seen you flaming :) And dont say sorry to atero,look in his posts.I know you are the Master Of Peace,Buddha,The Great Monk blah blah but dont let other people get over you.

Magic.X

16th May 2003 14:37 UTC

At least more preferable then a man with an axe :p

Atb least there will always be some peopel argueing about shit, which wouldnt e that bad if they'd stick to the point.

sidd

17th May 2003 05:33 UTC

haha..
well, in case you pictured me as a shaved little swami or an axe weilding maniac, both are just names, and dont in any way reflect my persona/appearence. :)

btw. AVS_axer was a spin off from my days as a quake1 fanatic. I used to run around and get frags with just the axe :D
but it is a sucky name, so i changed it.

Doggy Dog

17th May 2003 10:31 UTC

Hmm, I could be a judge if I'm not too late

sidd

17th May 2003 10:49 UTC

definatly not to late..
your in!

IshanRocky

20th May 2003 08:12 UTC

Has anybody seen updated version of my preset???
Do you think it is flowy enough to qualify??? i'm a little bit worried:(

Zevensoft

20th May 2003 11:14 UTC

I'll judge, considering I'm not entering anyway. I just don't know anything about flows. If I do judge, I would award several winners:

Speed - One which looks OK, but runs really good.
Looks - One which runs OK, but looks really good.
Innovation - One which features an interesting new effect.
Response - One which reacts to music the best.
Overall - One which excells in most areas.

Tuggummi

20th May 2003 12:32 UTC

Zevensoft, sounds like a .plan to me :)

mmmhmmm, i think my entry has a good music response, a new color-trick & it works fast, but that's just my opinion :blah: :D Too bad it looks like puke tho... not many people can relate to the colors.

blazer1504

20th May 2003 19:39 UTC

Why the hell are you changing the rules every second minute? I bet that no-one of you knows exactly what are the rules of what you can put and what you can't put. And I offered to be a judge a year ago, you said that you're getting some milkdroppers to judge this contest, but when did that change ?

...yeah well, whatever, I lost my interest to this long time ago..


Good luck :blah:

dirkdeftly

21st May 2003 00:52 UTC

my sentiments precisely, degnic :rolleyes:

IshanRocky

21st May 2003 07:49 UTC

nobody answered my question :(

Phaze1987

21st May 2003 08:56 UTC

Originally posted by Phaze1987
ok then Tugg is out of the reviewer list.Welcome Degnic :D

Originally posted by Atero
my sentiments precisely, degnic

Raz

21st May 2003 12:09 UTC

Can't this lousy town go one day without a riot - Mayor Quimby, The Simpsons

[Ishan]

22nd May 2003 07:31 UTC

well said raz:D

sidd

22nd May 2003 09:12 UTC

Whoo! lets start a fight! Very Kieth fucking Moon! - Thom Yorke, Radiohead

Rovastar

22nd May 2003 11:13 UTC

Originally posted by Raz
Can't this lousy town go one day without a riot - Mayor Quimby, The Simpsons

[Ishan]

22nd May 2003 11:28 UTC

hey! the deadline is coming soon and we only got about 25+ enteries!:eek: and we thought that we would be recieving thousands of enteries, maybe the contest did'nt get proper attention.

dirkdeftly

22nd May 2003 20:55 UTC

besides the fact that there aren't "thousands" of avs artists on this forum, or even dedicated avs artists out there, if you were expecting more entries you should've allowed more than one per user. That along with how the rules weren't stated clearly when the contest started and they didn't even all make sense in the first place....

Raz

22nd May 2003 22:47 UTC

I agree with atero on this one, there should be allowed more than one entry.

Tuggummi

23rd May 2003 08:54 UTC

25 entries is A LOT! I suggest we call it quits at the deadline and no double entries for anyone. If you snooze, you lose :p

[Ishan]

27th May 2003 10:36 UTC

Tommorow is the deadline so i guess the judges should get ready:)

Magic.X

27th May 2003 11:49 UTC

Although i'll guess mine will be down at the bottom, i hope the best for it :D

[Ishan]

28th May 2003 08:37 UTC

Nah, yours is not so bad :)

shreyas_potnis

28th May 2003 09:21 UTC

I belive the contest is over :) Get ready for the reults.

[Ishan]

28th May 2003 10:19 UTC

so, i believe a pack will be released with the best entries wont it??

shreyas_potnis

28th May 2003 13:22 UTC

The deadline come now, what then? How will the winner be announced. I can collect all the presets from the thread and compile it into a pack, then it can be sent to WA, devart, everywhere. But how will the winners be declared? I think there should be three winner's. 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Raz

28th May 2003 14:01 UTC

Why not just release them all in a pack in order of who came first to last?

sidd

28th May 2003 14:16 UTC

:), i like that idea.. but radio rules say that it should go last to first, that way people will stick around untill the end of the pack :D

judges whoever you are. get to work!

dirkdeftly

28th May 2003 21:41 UTC

last to first sounds better to me (personally i don't want to be going through a pack that just keeps getting worse and worse...)

[Ishan]

29th May 2003 15:32 UTC

sounds pretty good to me too:up:

Doggy Dog

29th May 2003 18:07 UTC

Umm, how do we vote or something.

[Ishan]

30th May 2003 08:58 UTC

Originally posted by doggy dog
Umm, how do we vote or something.

Raz

30th May 2003 09:07 UTC

Right, you download all the presets and decide an order from first to last, then we release them all in a pack like this:
1 - Last
...
24 - First

sidd

30th May 2003 13:53 UTC

ohh. that is nasty.. imagine if your preset comes 24th.. how would you feel??? i could be me.. it could be you.. oo the suspense

stardust_zg

30th May 2003 14:32 UTC

I'm sure mine would be first in the pack... and last in the contest...
Who are the judges, btw?

sidd

30th May 2003 14:58 UTC

no way, your preset is nice. Especially the colors. Not many presets use beige/kharke/cream or whatever you want to call it :)

Judges are Zevensoft and Doggydog at least.
Have they actually started juding yet anyone?

dirkdeftly

30th May 2003 20:03 UTC

by the way...

just because i said i dropped out of the contest doesn't mean i actually did...

i already made two presets, and they'd both be going to waste if i didn't enter one (fingerpaint, of course, because trefoil violates phaze's precious rules) :)

Phaze1987

30th May 2003 21:10 UTC

I cant ignore this...If there isnt any problem,i could be a judge(i havent submited any preset to the contest) along with doggy and zevensoft.Degnic should be a judge too,but lets wait for his reply.Someone make the pack,then every judge download and review it.No polls,no voting and no flaming.Sounds quite good...

sidd

31st May 2003 01:52 UTC

its always "someone make the pack" or "someone else do all the hard work" isnt it Phazey. XD

S-uper_T-oast

31st May 2003 03:31 UTC

When does anyone think all this judging will be done and the pack released?

dirkdeftly

31st May 2003 05:21 UTC

How about we stop arguing and judge the damn thing, eh? We've already got a bunch of judges - and you, Phaze, just volunteered...how's about actually doing some work now?

[Ishan]

31st May 2003 07:46 UTC

Originally posted by Atero
How about we stop arguing and judge the damn thing, eh? We've already got a bunch of judges - and you, Phaze, just volunteered...how's about actually doing some work now?

Doggy Dog

31st May 2003 09:54 UTC

In order from best to worst.If someone thinks his preset should have higher up, and starts bitching about that, it won't help him/her. I won't change the order.

1. Stardust - Military. No, I didn't pick her preset because we're both from Croatia, it has great colors, nice FX, and great beat detection.
2. Shock Value - Chrome Current
3. Tuggummi - Odour Control
4. Unconed - Daedalus (If it's in :) )
5. Shreyas - Recall The Old Memories
6. Ishan Rocky - Curves & Colours
7. Nixa - Another Flow Preset
8. Magic - Organic Tunnel
9. Raz - ? (He didn't name the preset AFAIK)
10. Runar - (-)Ion
11. Siddharta - The Gloaming (would have been higher if he didn't used a scope or something instead of the pic)
12. Super Toast - Frosty Oxide
13. Undefined - Hypnotism
14. Atero - Fingerpaint
15. Hungryskull - Jiggly Stuff
16. mquadrat - Vector Flow

Those are the presets I got from the other thread, and I would appriciate if someone pointed to me where the other 8 presets are.
Again, if you think you've been cheated Eurosong-style, don't bitch too much. You CAN write a nice polite post though.

Reviewed while listening to:
Siddharta - Klinik (a Slovenian band, not the avser :) )
Die Toten Hosen - Schön Sein
Nightwish - Stargazers
Apocalyptica feat. Sandra Nasic - Path vol.2
Members Of Mayday - Soundtropolis
Negrocan - Cadavez
Nick Cave - Babe I'm On Fire
and the CD2 of the Matrix Reloaded soundtrack (original CD, it was playing in the other room).
PS. Amazing what shuffle can bring.

[Ishan]

31st May 2003 09:58 UTC

I have no problem about that:)
but all the judges have to agree on the order i guess.

Doggy Dog

31st May 2003 10:04 UTC

I know. I just wanted to make my opinion public :).

sidd

31st May 2003 11:24 UTC

phhh. use a scope instead of a pic, what you got against pics? :mad:
*grumble grumble grumble* :mad: *sniff sniff* :cry::cry::cry:

Well..
I think youve done an excelent job, these are pretty much how i would of scaled them if i were judging (except for mine oc)

btw.
stardust: See, i told you you wouldnt come last

stardust_zg

31st May 2003 13:41 UTC

/me can't believe her own eyes! I guess I'm too pessimistic sometimes :)

btw. I think there's nothing wrong in using a pic instead of superscope or any other render.

[Ishan]

31st May 2003 15:39 UTC

yes i think sid's preset should atleast have been above mine(i did'nt like mine at all:mad: )

sidd

31st May 2003 15:54 UTC

nownow, no need to back me up just cuz i had a cry.
But thanks all the same ;)

[Ishan]

31st May 2003 16:20 UTC

no i'm serious ,really yours was way better than mine.
Anyway the result is not out yet(the other judges have still to decide) so there is still time for the pack to be published:)

zamuz

31st May 2003 18:44 UTC

well i didn't participate in this, but i think the judges should discuss the preset's order privately... even more suspense :)

dirkdeftly

1st June 2003 05:21 UTC

btw...raz's preset violated the "one superscope, one other render" rule...however if we are interpereting that rule as "two renders limited to one superscope" i'd rather trefoil was in than fingerpaint.

and no offense to tuggummi, but the fact that his preset is third and siddhartha's is 11th baffles me... :weird:

[Ishan]

1st June 2003 07:03 UTC

where are the other judges???:eek:

shreyas_potnis

1st June 2003 09:58 UTC

am small compilation of all the contest entries.

sidd

1st June 2003 16:31 UTC

wow, good point atero, i didnt even notice that because they are clear screens.. Because we didnt pick it up until now, i think it would be very mean to say he cant use it, so i vote we do what atero sais, and that means atero could use his other one, but no other exceptions. If atero does do this, DD wil have to rethink his choices. Anyone against this?

judges make sure you understand the rules, and are sure each preset qualifies before making your decisions..

[Ishan]

1st June 2003 18:06 UTC

According to me (technically that is!) atero flow peset was the best one if it qualifies.

Doggy Dog

1st June 2003 19:47 UTC

Ok, ok, everyone calm down..

I said that that was only my opinion. Now that I look again at the presets, I would probably put Siddharta's preset a bit above, but I was kinda annoyed when I had to unzip the preset and the pic in the different folders. And yes, I know it's a stupid reason, and I'm sorry, but we judges still have to decide the final order, and the preset will probably go up.
First you guys must decide what to do with raz's preset. And I bet, if you allow Atero's rulesbreaking preset to enter the contest, there will be somebody else who will want to modify his preset if Atero's could enter the contest, etc, etc.

Raz

1st June 2003 20:59 UTC

It's either the way it is with the clear screen or a same colour one dot in the center scope and a blended d=0; movement, that wouldn't violate any rules but somehow, i think the clear screen is way faster and it has the exact same effect so i think you can just let it slide.

dirkdeftly

1st June 2003 21:15 UTC

Likewise with the psuedocolormapping technique I did with brightness/effect lists in trefoil...should i be allowed to simply use a color map there?

at this rate they'll kick us both out :D

S-uper_T-oast

2nd June 2003 03:48 UTC

I think Atero's Trefoil looks the best, but still I say mine should win because I made it!

Tuggummi

2nd June 2003 06:59 UTC

Atero, i fully understand your feelings, my preset has the most shittiest colors ever. Im really suprised someone think it's worth 3rd place, i think it should be in the last place. In fact, i would be very happy about last place, because anything from the middle isn't as special :D :blah:

[Ishan]

2nd June 2003 08:49 UTC

Mine is in the middle:(

dirkdeftly

2nd June 2003 09:47 UTC

mine is third from the end.

don't bitch.

shreyas_potnis

2nd June 2003 09:51 UTC

Mine too, but not exactly :). And what abouy Unconed's presets. I dont think it is kinda flowy, but I like it the most :D Does it qualify?

[Ishan]

2nd June 2003 14:30 UTC

No i dont think it qulifie(although it looks awesome)

stardust_zg

2nd June 2003 14:59 UTC

This is a flow contest. Every preset that isnt "flowy" should be disqualified (although I agree Unconed's entry looks awesome. But it is not a flow preset).

Tuggummi

2nd June 2003 15:20 UTC

I know i ain't one of the judges, but as long as we're making public statements, might as well say my opinion in this too :)

1. Shock Value - Chrome Current
- Good fps, Great response & looks good.

2. Siddhartha - The Gloaming
- Great swirl effects & picture gives a nice beat detection + into it.

3. Stardust - Military
- Good beat response, Good fps & Nice dm and original colors.

4. Nixa - Another flow preset
- Nice beat detection, Good fps & Good swirl effects.

5. Shreyas - Recall the Old Memories
- Dynamice, good beat detection & lots of variety due to the multimovement dm.

6. Atero - Fingerpaint
- Cool trans effects and the flow movements are good.

7. Super_Toast - Frosty Oxide
- Good flow dm and good beat reactive scope.

8. uNDefineD - Hypnotism
- Best fps :) Good simple flow preset.

9. Mquadrat - Vector flow
- Good response, Good fps & nice flow dm.

10. Ishan_rocky - Curves And Colours
- Good fps & beat response.

11. Runar - Ion
- Nice idea & nice beat detection.

12. Hungryskull - Jiggly Stuff
- Nice idea & nice jiggly dm.



As you can notice, i didn't include my own preset in my list as well as i didn't include Magic's, UnConeD's or Raz's. Also i only "reviewed" one of Atero's presets (because 1 was the limit, no matter how much you hate that fact Atero :p)

For not including Magic's & Raz's presets i have to say that they didn't actually strike me as "flow" presets, while magic's preset did had a flow "texture" it didn't look quite like your standard flow preset. And Raz's preset looked more of a static pattern with a dm rather than a flow preset (it didn't even leave any "trails")

While UnConeD's preset basicly "qualifies" in what i believe flow presets are (a render which leaves "trails" which are adjusted&shifted&morphed with trans effect(s)), i didn't include it, because it didn't look flowy.

Anyway, im not a reviewer so this is just my personal statement about the presets, my own personal & humble opinion :)

Raz

2nd June 2003 23:20 UTC

The reason i did this is because it would stand out from all the other boring flow presets that you see everywhere. It flows around and morphs instead of a typical mediocre swirling around and leaving a trail type boring crap. I am so sorry for breaking the theme a little and trying not to release a pack full of the same presets.

sidd

3rd June 2003 00:54 UTC

:)

[Ishan]

3rd June 2003 07:18 UTC

i liked the colours in Raz's preset :)

Tuggummi

3rd June 2003 07:32 UTC

Raz, there is no need to be grudgy :igor: My words don't count.

But you can read, can't you? Or did you happen to miss the word "flow" in the "Flow contest" part? :p

Maybe another contest after we get the pack together and the "real" reviews about the presets, with no limits, let's just see who's the best or something :blah: If that's what you want?

[Ishan]

3rd June 2003 07:47 UTC

I'm sure raz'S Preset would have won the first prize if there were a "plasma contest":p

sidd

3rd June 2003 09:44 UTC

well, if it were a plasma contest, i think i might have done a plasma preset aswell. :D

[Ishan]

3rd June 2003 10:40 UTC

Everbody would have done a plasma preset:D

Raz

3rd June 2003 16:00 UTC

Does it, or does it not "flow"? Why yes it does, just not in the conventional way.

sidd

3rd June 2003 16:56 UTC

http://www.dictionary.com :

flow...
"To move or run smoothly with unbroken continuity, as in the manner characteristic of a fluid."

dont say nuttin' about scopes that leave 'trails' :D

shreyas_potnis

3rd June 2003 17:15 UTC

any fluid flows!

Raz

3rd June 2003 18:22 UTC

And guess what, mine flows, so screw you.

UnConeD

3rd June 2003 19:20 UTC

Flow is VERY subjective. I don't mind mine not being accepted, I made a slightly better version of it already anyway (but it doesn't satisfy the technical limitations).
For me, flow means something that moves smoothly, not just a scope+DM combo.

dirkdeftly

3rd June 2003 19:44 UTC

raz...unconed...warp != flow. try this: drop some food coloring in spinning water. what it will do is run around and dilute itself. what it will not do is stick together and move around and change shape a little bit.

Raz

3rd June 2003 23:25 UTC

Except one minor thing. It's not fucking diluting, it's flowing. Flowing is smooth movement, mine moves smoothly. Great job you shrubs, you all made the same preset. The only reason i didn't submit a flow preset like the rest of you is because it's so fucking boring watching the same old preset go by. When you do a contest you shouldn't be so anal about the title because you'll end up with the same preset over and over. You want that then fine, don't accept it. Fuck it and you.

UnConeD

4th June 2003 00:54 UTC

Look in that case the contest rules should've stated "You MUST use one DM that is fed back the image it has produced from a previous frame".

I guess this was a good lesson if anyone wants to do another contest... :rolleyes:

sidd

4th June 2003 03:15 UTC

c'mon, i think all of the flowy presets are different enough in their own rights.. mosdt of them are reasonably new looking.

This competition HAS tought us alot: no matter how tight our little group may seem, we are bound to bicker and bicker endlessly over shit-all! Next time, we get someone else, not from here (maybe rovastar or someone) to create the rules, and get judges from somewhere else.

Im all for doing another contest, though i think some restrictions are neccessary: its impossible to judge what is "the best all round preset". think about it, what if tuggummi produces some ground breaking amazing looking thing like he always does, and UnConeD makes a ground breaking new code idea like a pig dancing infront of a mirror on a voxel landscape under a fractle sky in 4-D. Then what will we do....Well, id like to see that pig, but i dont know which ide vote for.

I'm happy with the way the comp has turned out... we have some nice presets in there. Including the ones that may or may not be defined as 'flowy'. I dont think that presets should be excluded because they dont flow enough, just they wont win. Flow should be a criteria in judging, along with speed, aesthetica and the rest.

S-uper_T-oast

4th June 2003 04:03 UTC

I would really like to see just the dancing pig in 4-D, that would be really cool. Another thing I noticed is that most of the disagreements about this whole contest have been based on "poor-wording" of rules and/or mis-interrpretation of the same a few words.

Tuggummi

4th June 2003 06:53 UTC

So it should've been a diluting contest then, although most people (like myself) don't even know what the fuck it means :rolleyes:

I kinda agree with siddharta here if anyone wants to make another contest, there must be somekind of limits or rules... otherwise it just gets messy when it comes putting them in the winning order... unless we have a poll an like atleast 100 voters then it would be pretty fair... But we don't HAVE 100 VOTERS, do we? :igor:

If rules: They all look the same...
If not rules: Not enough voters...

First one to figure this one out gets a peanut...

sidd

4th June 2003 07:07 UTC

something like: contest=(rules+norules)*0.5

i have my own peanuts. so dont bother

Tuggummi

4th June 2003 07:13 UTC

What if i give you Atero's Peanuts? It's not like he needs anymore balls to bitch around the forums... maybe that will tone him down ;)

j/k :D

[Ishan]

4th June 2003 09:53 UTC

I dont know what's gonna happen to this contest now:(

Raz

6th June 2003 17:31 UTC

Bleh, what was i on? Forget that i don't give two shits what you do with it. I say we have another contest where all you're given is a title, judgeing criteria can be, creativity with the title, FPS, and yadda yadda the rest of the regular criteria, no limit to what components you can use, but FPS will be a judging criteria. Then we won't have all these problems.

sidd

7th June 2003 01:44 UTC

very nice idea
BUT WHERE ARE THE JUDGES FOR THIS ONE???
we want result!

[Ishan]

7th June 2003 06:25 UTC

where is phaze??:eek:

shreyas_potnis

7th June 2003 10:24 UTC

I would say UnConeD's preset is quite viscous :D
Yeah and Phaze has vanished somewhere, I have a compilation of all the flow presets, should we submit it in the GD?

Zevensoft

8th June 2003 05:28 UTC

Here is my 4cAUD on the matter.

Speed - One which looks OK, but runs really good.
1st. uNDefineD - Hypnotism: Not really a flow as such, but it's the fastest.
2nd. shock value - chrome current: Good colours, and runs good.
3rd. nixa - another flow preset: Runs well, but the colours are a bit harsh.
Worthy mentions: Hungryskull - Jiggly Stuff (Fast FPS, flow is a bit dodgy), UnConeD - Daedalus (Very nice, but it's not really a flow as such a morphing ssc.), Ishan_rocky - Curves and colours (Bit too blurry).

Looks - One which runs OK, but looks really good.
1st. Atero - Trefoil: Bit slow, but very good visual.
2nd. shock value - chrome current: Runs good, with good colours.
3rd. siddharta - the gloaming: Very scary look, but colours a bit boring.
Worthy mentions: Magic - Organic Tunnel (A trippy look, but not flowy enough), UnConeD - Daedalus (Very nice, but it's not really a flow as such a morphing ssc.)

Innovation - One which features an interesting new effect.
1st. Atero - Fingerpaint: The smudgy paint is good.
2nd. Raz: Plasma hehe.
3rd. UnConeD - Daedalus: I'm sure it's a fancy scope.

Response - One which reacts to music the best.
1st. Nixa - another flow preset.
2nd. siddharta - the gloaming.
3rd. shock value - chrome current.
Worthy mentions: All had average beat response. (shreyas hungryskull raz ishan_rocky)

Overall - One which excells in most areas.
1st. shock value - chrome current.
2nd. siddharta - the gloaming.
3rd. Nixa - another flow preset.
4th. UnConeD - Daedalus
5th. Magic - Organic Tunnel

[Presets were not rated based on technical or size qualities]

Phaze1987

8th June 2003 10:18 UTC

Phaze was offline for 1 week cause of ISP.So...Ok i`ll gather all the presets and post my own review.Is there a need for NSIS or just a zip ?

shreyas_potnis

8th June 2003 10:28 UTC

I do not find my preset anywhere in zaven's review, :(
Must work more hard now.

blazer1504

8th June 2003 11:18 UTC

IMO the judges should rate every preset (with rate 1-10 perhaps) and the one what gets the most points wins..

I'm not sure if I want to get to the jury because I have only couple contest entries now, and I'm not sure if I have time & nerves to dl each & every contest entry with this connection I have..

But I'll let you know that in day or two ;)

[Ishan]

8th June 2003 16:12 UTC

Uh...blaze if you look back at the fourth page of this thread you will find that shreyas has already compiled all the presets in one pack so no need to download ever preset seperately.

blazer1504

9th June 2003 16:38 UTC

Uh...blaze if you look back at the fourth page of this thread you will find that shreyas has already compiled all the presets in one pack so no need to download ever preset seperately.

[Ishan]

9th June 2003 17:46 UTC

sounds fair to me.

Phaze1987

9th June 2003 20:54 UTC

sounds nice but its a bit complicated...IMHO reviews like zevensoft`s are the best way to declare the winners.The author/preset that appears as #1 in most reviews is declared #1 in the final winner list,so on with #2 and #3...Its simple and fair :)

S-uper_T-oast

10th June 2003 03:22 UTC

I like the sounds of blazer's idea, but what would you do if somehow two presets tied using any method?

shreyas_potnis

10th June 2003 04:35 UTC

There was going to be a poll or something wasnt it?

dirkdeftly

10th June 2003 06:13 UTC

no, there wasn't. this has been said at least three times before, shreyas.

way to pay attention :up:

[Ishan]

10th June 2003 07:59 UTC

you forget to soon shreyas:p Like raz said before-"Everyone will vote for their own presets".There should not be any poll.
Anyway i've had too much of this , i mean does'nt it sound crazy?? the contestants themselves are discussing how the result should be decided?
No offense , but this should have been decided before.

blazer1504

10th June 2003 11:17 UTC

Here's my rates and my two cents of presets, do you what you do with this...


Name: points: misc:
---------------------------
Hungryskull 1 uhm...

Super Toast 2 ugly & empty

Ishan 3 not too flowy, quite static

Raz 4 um...flow ??

Runar 5 too static & gets boring after awhile

Nixa 6 Ugly colors

Undenifed 7 this have been made like million times

Tuggummi 8 Good base but it's missing good colors and something..

Shreyas 9 Good response & I really like the dot design, some not so good movements in multimov dynamove

Siddharta 10 Good dynamove, colors needs fixing

Magic 11 Neat but needs more beatresponse..

Stardust 12 Good colors, good fps

UnConeD 13 I'm loving the scope here. Really nice colors as well , but not exactly a "flow" preset if you ask me..

Atero 14 Nice flow, sweet colors, dynmove is also quite nice

Mquadrat 15 Really responsive, good flow

Shock Value 16 Even though, I don't have the 'addborders' ape this looks really good. Good fps rate & looks absolutly awesome in hi-res fullscreen mode

shreyas_potnis

10th June 2003 12:34 UTC

This review is inverse I think. And I meant for the vote in the GD forums.

Tuggummi

10th June 2003 12:57 UTC

I don't support the idea of voting in the General Discussion forums. Thank you for your time, have a nice day.

[Ishan]

10th June 2003 16:53 UTC

I think the points system is fair enough(even though i get only three:( )

dirkdeftly

10th June 2003 22:41 UTC

avs + gd == big kaaaboooooomz0r. it's an avs thread, it stays in the avs forums, agreed?

[Ishan]

11th June 2003 09:02 UTC

Agreed.

Phaze1987

11th June 2003 22:34 UTC

R E V I E W

Super_toast - 1 - dark and kinda ugly , could have been better with a FB and a morphing scope.

Hungryskull - 2 - its pretty ugly dude,i think that superscope is in pain!

Ishan Rocky - 3 - this aint too bad,but its sooo damn bright that it ruins the preset and i do not see the flow.

Unconed - 4 - yeah, it is great über super but...i have tried pretty hard to notice the flow,seems like it is lost somwhere.

Nixa - 5 - kinky DM with sweet beat detection,but,DAMN!,the colors stink.

Undefined - 6 - well,i like it but i hope the better version is a little more colored and with a nicer DM(yes,i know i`ve already seen it but these guys dont know that).

Runar - 7 - great effect,but it is dull and...colorless

Mquadrat - 8 - its kinda empty..something is missing.

Magic - 9 - cool tunnel,looks sweet but it needs to be more flowy.

Raz - 10 - this is FLOWY,like a river,but there are too many colors and it ruins the aspect a bit.

Siddhartha - 11 - spooky,good FPS rate and great beat detection.

Shreyas - 12 - cool preset,good colors!

Stardust - 13 - great looking,the d=-d movement goes great in here!

Tuggummi - 14 - i love this!!!!! I dont know why,but its sooooper !

Atero - 15 - great looking preset,but the beat detection sux a bit.

Shock Value - 16 - OK. You are the WINNER d00d! Best DM , best FPS rate , best colors , best preset. Congrats :D

I believe this was quite an objective and clear review.Lets wait for doggy and zevensoft to give points and see who won... We already know I won but lets make it official :weird:

Phaze1987

11th June 2003 22:38 UTC

I agree with atero too. *i know i didnt use the edit button,it would have fucked up the aspect of the review*

dirkdeftly

12th June 2003 02:45 UTC

Atero - 15 - great looking preset,but the beat detection sux a bit. <- man, i thought that one of the best things about it was the beat detection :(

and...for someone who's had "PLEASE USE THE EDIT BUTTON" in his sig for several weeks i don't think there's much of an excuse for not using it.


congrats, shock value, you won by a landslide ;) :up:

Wiser87

12th June 2003 05:11 UTC

Originally posted by Atero
who's had "PLEASE USE THE EDIT BUTTON" in his sig for several weeks i don't think there's much of an excuse for not using it.

Raz

12th June 2003 06:05 UTC

Does anyone really give two shits whether someone uses the edit button or not, you're just going anal because you always go anal and you're not prepared to change. I am aware of the fact that i am going anal over you going anal, i can't even believe i'm posting this. Just shut the hell up or post something besides the problems with other peoples posting.

Magic.X

12th June 2003 08:07 UTC

So what's the final rating now?

[Ishan]

12th June 2003 10:31 UTC

I get three again:(

QuadHeliX

12th June 2003 18:36 UTC

I got a contest fer ya

mikm

12th June 2003 19:16 UTC

really? maybe you should have started a new thread for this :p

right now, this is thread closing up the flow contest, the winners, and all that

Shock Value

12th June 2003 19:43 UTC

Thanks to everyone who made presets or reviewed them! The AddBorders APE isn't critical, it's basicly like putting four n=2 scopes around the edges of the preset. I attached it for anyone who cares.

Doggy Dog

12th June 2003 20:15 UTC

Points:

mquadrat - Vector Flow 1
Hungryskull - Jiggly Stuff 2
Super Toast - Frosty Oxide 3
Undefined - Hypnotism 4
Runar - (-)Ion 5
Ishan Rocky - Curves $ Colours 6
Atero - Trefoil 7
Siddharta - The Gloaming 8
Raz - ? 9
Magic - Organic Tunnel 10
Nixa - Another Flow Preset 11
Shreyas - Recall The Old Memories 12
Unconed - Daedalus 13
Tuggummi - Odour Control 14
Shock Value - Chrome Current 15
Stardust - Military 16

I explained why earlier. The order changed a bit after some thinking.

Phaze1987

12th June 2003 21:31 UTC

[bold] BIG [/bold] LOL @ Raz.
Is zevensoft going to post a review like ours or we declare the winners ?

S-uper_T-oast

13th June 2003 04:12 UTC

I say we wait for Zevensoft, I don't know how much difference it will make, it looks to me like Shock Value is doing pretty good, I don't care, I'm happy to get three points in one reveiw!

shreyas_potnis

13th June 2003 05:58 UTC

So I say we publish it now. I can make the installer, what do you think?

Phaze1987

13th June 2003 13:44 UTC

do the installer but dont publish it yet...lets wait for all to give the OK...ok? : D

Zevensoft

14th June 2003 04:02 UTC

Bah, dont wait for me.

Doggy Dog

14th June 2003 08:40 UTC

We kinda have to, Zevensoft, there are 2 draws (some presets have equal number of points).

Zevensoft

14th June 2003 14:56 UTC

uNDefineD - Hypnotism: +5
shock value - chrome current: +4
nixa - another flow preset: +3
Hungryskull - Jiggly Stuff: +1
UnConeD - Daedalus: +1
Ishan_rocky - Curves and colours: +1

Atero - Trefoil: +5
shock value - chrome current: +4
siddharta - the gloaming: +3
Magic - Organic Tunnel: +1
UnConeD - Daedalus: +1

Atero - Fingerpaint: +5
Raz: +4
UnConeD - Daedalus: +3

Nixa - another flow preset: +5
siddharta - the gloaming: +4
shock value - chrome current: +3
All of (shreyas hungryskull raz ishan_rocky) get +1.

shock value - chrome current: +5
siddharta - the gloaming: +4
Nixa - another flow preset: +3
UnConeD - Daedalus: +2
Magic - Organic Tunnel: +2

Phaze1987

14th June 2003 18:57 UTC

umm...how exactly did you gave points to presets zevensoft ? i have some trouble understading your "review"...

Zevensoft

15th June 2003 03:14 UTC

I took my other review and gave +5 to first, +4 to second, +3 to third, +2 to fourth and fifth, and +1 to worthy mentions

[Ishan]

15th June 2003 05:17 UTC

So have all the judges gave the points yet?

Doggy Dog

15th June 2003 09:42 UTC

Zevensoft, you gave points to both of Atero's presets, you should fix that. And do you REALLY think Stardust's preset shouldn't be given a single point ?!?!?
I know I'm nagging you and I'm getting a bit irritating, but it would be really helpful if you would just rate presets like other reviewers.

[Ishan]

15th June 2003 09:58 UTC

I hope i'm not sounding rude but UnConeD's preset has qualified and has got many points , why?(no offense just a question)

Deamon

15th June 2003 12:27 UTC

is anyone going to bother creating a pack out of all the contestants who won something?

Raz

15th June 2003 13:43 UTC

For the last damn time yes. We're still trying to figure out whos won and organise the reviewing, have some fucking patience, every few replies it's asking for the pack. It will come soon enough, shut up already.

sidd

15th June 2003 14:41 UTC

look, I hate to be a wank zev, but if you could just do a review in the same format as the other two, and include just atero's treefoil, this whole ordeal would be over.

i think...

[Ishan]

15th June 2003 15:34 UTC

i agree with sid here.....

shreyas_potnis

16th June 2003 08:31 UTC

I still didnt understand zave's review....

Magic.X

16th June 2003 11:03 UTC

Its quite simple. Read the review he gave 2 pages ago. He devided the ranking into multiple categorys, selected the best 3 ones gave em 5 to 3 points (and others that were worth mentioning +1). So whats the matter about this? I prefere this form of rating.

Btw, i personally don't care about who's won or not. It was a nice experience to do a preset having limitations so you're forced to optimize your code.

EOF

[Ishan]

16th June 2003 15:24 UTC

Yes it was a nice experience tho it did'nt end as well as i had expected:(

Phaze1987

17th June 2003 12:39 UTC

i guess you guys want a pack ;) Should the presets be ordered random or by quality ?

Magic.X

17th June 2003 13:47 UTC

Bottom -> Top ordered PLEASE!

;)

[Ishan]

17th June 2003 13:57 UTC

come on phaze it has been decided before that the pack will be ordered form worse to best:rolleyes:

Tuggummi

17th June 2003 14:29 UTC

Im rethinking about that pack... I mean i am putting it into my next pack, so there isn't any sense adding it to a flow contest pack... besides im getting the feeling that no one is sure about the "winning order" or no one is ready to pimp the pack up, do the screenshots etc...

Let's just drop the whole thing?

[Ishan]

17th June 2003 14:43 UTC

yea, lets just drop this and concentrate on the upcoming tournament:)

Doggy Dog

17th June 2003 21:09 UTC

Let's not..... I mean, let's try to actually finnish something ?

sidd

18th June 2003 02:17 UTC

ummm magicX dude,

So whats the matter about this? I prefere this form of rating.

Bottom -> Top ordered PLEASE!

Magic.X

18th June 2003 06:11 UTC

Just what i meant, sid.

First the zeros, then last to 1th rated.

[Ishan]

18th June 2003 09:52 UTC

that' Ok with me Sid.

shreyas_potnis

28th June 2003 09:54 UTC

since everyone was just commenting about how the installer should be and no one was making the installer, i made it.

AND DONT START BITCHING ABOUT THE ORDER OF THE PRESETS, AS I STILL DONT know WHAT THE EXACT ORDER SHOULD BE

NON APE VERSION INSTALLER

Doggy Dog

28th June 2003 10:26 UTC

Someone should PM Zevensoft, looks like he doesn't realize we're waiting for him to do a proper review.

Zevensoft

29th June 2003 03:41 UTC

u love shack - 16 - Nice colours.
sad rad hit - 15 - Very scary!
in ax - 14 - Top notch flow.
to ear - 13 - Soothing visual.
no dunce - 12 - Flowy without the flow.
i c mag - 11 - Looks nice.
sad strut - 10 - Trippin.
arson they piss - 9 - Oily.
fun indeed - 8 - Fast.
zar - 7 - Plasmoidistic.
im mug gut - 6 - Smelly.
hi rack sony - 5 - Too Bright.
pet roast us - 4 - Dark.
quad tram - 3 - Simple.
u r arn - 2 - Plain.
hunks r gully - 1 - Poor.

S-uper_T-oast

29th June 2003 03:53 UTC

I think I got four points! I feel special.

[Ishan]

29th June 2003 07:06 UTC

I got 5! Woohoo!

sidd

29th June 2003 07:12 UTC

wow zev, this is fun!

shreyas_potnis

29th June 2003 08:34 UTC

i think i got 10, altho i am not sure...

sidd

29th June 2003 13:13 UTC

LOL... arson they piss = shreyas potnis = 9

silly

shreyas_potnis

30th June 2003 06:00 UTC

ok, so is anyone going to give the FINAL order?

Doggy Dog

30th June 2003 10:07 UTC

The final order
THE WINNER: SHOCK VALUE - 63
RUNNER-UP: Stardust - 51
3rd Place: Atero - 49
4th Place: Siddharta - 44
5th-6th Place: Tuggummi - 42
5th-6th Place: Unconed - 42
7th Place: Magic - 41
8th Place: Shreyas - 39
9th Place: Nixa - 36
10th Place: Raz - 30
11th Place: mquadrat - 27
12th Place: Undefined - 25
13th Place: Runar - 19
14th Place: Ishan Rocky - 17
15th Place: Super Toast - 10
16th Place: Hungryskull - 6

Congratulations to the winner - SHOCK VALUE !!!!!!!!!!!

[Ishan]

30th June 2003 16:52 UTC

hehe, at least i'm 14th:D

sidd

1st July 2003 07:05 UTC

wow, 4th.. thats lots better than i got when i added it up

Magic.X

1st July 2003 18:30 UTC

Coool. Just 3 after Sid :p

dirkdeftly

1st July 2003 22:17 UTC

psh, i deserve at LEAST -0th place

;)

gj shock value :)

S-uper_T-oast

2nd July 2003 04:03 UTC

Pretty nifty, I'm not in last. Way to go Shock Value.

stardust_zg

3rd July 2003 08:36 UTC

Yay! I got silver medal! :D

Well done, Shock Value :)

Phaze1987

6th July 2003 18:21 UTC

w00t! It ended...finally! Have you kids learned anything from this crap ?