Please don't flame me but...

ryan

1st April 2003 05:06 UTC

Please don't flame me but...
Does anyone know where the ElVis 3D superscope guide is. I searched all over the winamp.com plugins and couldn't find the pack it was it. So can someone post it or a link to it please :D

shreyas_potnis

1st April 2003 06:24 UTC

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* *
* SUPERSCOPES-3D by EL-VIS *
* *
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First: "Yes, I'm not a native speaker!"
Second: "But I've tried my best."

The idea was to do some Superscopes in 3D. My first tries (_first3D_) were quite OK
but not the real thing. So I got deeper into 3D-mathematics and I finally managed
to develop a base setup for real 3D presets (_real3D_start.avs).

Real 3D means:

Every point of the scope has now 3 coordinates: x1, y1 and z1
(instead of x and y) which describe its position in the 3D-Room:

 

           -y
            |  +z
            |  /
            | /
            |/
-x ------------------- +x
           /|0
          / |
         /  |
       -z   |
           +y

So the scope becomes a real 3D-Object, which could be rotated around and
moved along the three axes (x,y and z) of the 3D-Room.

Finally the 3D-coordinates of the scope are translated into 2D-coordinates of the screen.

Here's the explanation of the settings of real3D_start.avs by section:

INIT_______________________________________________________________________________

n=7; r=0.5;
Just for this scope, which is a simple circle with a radius of 0.5 done in 7 steps.

mx=0;my=0;mz=0;
Use these to move the center/base of your scope along the axes.

dst=2;
Normally you don't need to change this. It's the distance for the 3D/2D-Translation.
IMPORTANT: If you create, rotate or move a scope its z-values must not become lower
than -dst => !!! z >= -dst for all z !!!

rx=0;ry=0;rz=0;
Initrotation around x,y and z-axis in degrees.

rdx=1;rdy=1;rdz=1;
Permanent rotation around axes in degrees/frame. Set these to zero to
stop rotation.

p=3.14159265;p2=2.0*p;p3=180/p
You'll never need to change these

POINT______________________________________________________________________________

x1=r*sin(p2*i);y1=0;z1=r*cos(p2*i);
This is the 3D-Scope. Add your own scopes here by setting x1,y1 and z1.
(Do not use x and y. They are generated in this section)

(In fact the example is not really 3D because of y1=0, but as you see,
it can be nicely rotated anyway)

IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The length of input in all of the sections is limited. So keep your scope as
short as possible. If the scope suddenly dissapears after a regular input you're
F***ed!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do not change anything else in this section:

y2=y1*xc-z1*xs;z2=y1*xs+z1*xc;
Rotation around x-axis

x2=z2*ys+x1*yc;z3=z2*yc-x1*ys;
Rotation around y-axis

x3=x2*zc-y2*zs;y3=y2*zc+x2*zs;
Rotation around z-axis

x4=mx+x3;y4=my+y3;z4=mz+z3;
Movement of center/base

x=x4/(1+z4/dst);y=y4/(1+z4/dst);
3D/2D-Translation

FRAME______________________________________________________________________________

This is a good place to setup additional movement for your scope. For Example:
fr=fr+0.01;mz=1+sin(fr)
will move the scope back and forward along the z-axis.

Do not change these and add your input in front of them:

rx=rx+rdx;ry=ry+rdy;rz=rz+rdz;
Rotation per Frame

xs=sin(rx/p3);ys=sin(ry/p3);zs=sin(rz/p3);xc=cos(rx/p3);yc=cos(ry/p3);zc=cos(rz/p3)
Sinuses and cosinuses for rotation in point-section (to save space and increase
performance).

BEAT_______________________________________________________________________________

Setup the beat reaction of your scope. For example change the rotation speed by random
like this:

rdx=rand(3)+1;rdy=rand(3)+1;rdz=rand(3)+1

___________________________________________________________________________________

THAT'S ALL FOLKS !

edit: this guide sucks

dirkdeftly

1st April 2003 21:39 UTC

DON'T USE EL-VIS'S 3D ENGINE. WRITE ONE YOURSELF.
We just had this fucking conversation, idiot. LEARN IT, DON'T STEAL IT. :mad:

Raz

1st April 2003 22:02 UTC

Is'nt idiots name convenient for conversations such as this. I agree though, elvis's 3d translation is extremely hard to modify. Learn it yourself.

legohead

1st April 2003 23:46 UTC

Atero - shhhhhhhh....

anubis2003

2nd April 2003 01:31 UTC

It's in his Real 3D pack, if you want the full thing, but I would reccommend taking a quick glance at Atero's primer, search the internet for rotation matrices, and then go to write your own 3D code, and see what you come out with, and check if it works or not.

ryan

2nd April 2003 01:58 UTC

I tried AVS Primer, It just confused me more about all this :D

anubis2003

2nd April 2003 02:01 UTC

Like I said, just google for rotation matrices. I'm sure you can find a lot at mathworld.wolfram.edu(is this the correct site?). In order to fully get the grasp of it you will need to try to make your own.

dirkdeftly

2nd April 2003 03:08 UTC

legohead, is there ANY chance at all that you'll stop being a dumbshit and start being a contributing member of the avs community?

Gonzotek

2nd April 2003 04:21 UTC

Atero, put legohead on ignore and please do not flame again.

-=Gonzotek=-

legohead

2nd April 2003 05:36 UTC

Im contributing my share thanks champ :)
I'll leave dumbshiting to your capable hands

Raz

2nd April 2003 15:17 UTC

Ok children calm down, leave each other alone and avoid each other. If you don't like each others posts, save it for someone who cares.

Gonzotek

2nd April 2003 15:33 UTC

legohead, put Atero on ignore and avoid flaming and/or inciting flames. You've now both had your warning and I'll be watching to be sure you abide by forum policy. Remember, if you have a problem with someone, there is something you can do about it besides flaming, PM a mod or use the "Report this Post" function.

-=Gonzotek=-

dirkdeftly

2nd April 2003 21:40 UTC

Gonzotek: How about we both put you on ignore and you stop telling us what to do?
:) ..|., :hang:

Raz

2nd April 2003 21:42 UTC

Because if you do you can wave bye bye to your forum for a while ;)

Gonzotek

2nd April 2003 21:42 UTC

Other than asking that you follow the rules of the forum, what have I done? That thread wasn't locked by me. I've been asked to do this, it wasn't my idea, but your actions that precipitated this.

Strike two.
*whacked*
[edit]No, unwhacked. If you'd like to discuss this is as good as place as any, but flame again and it's out of my hands.
-=Gonzotek=-

Raz

2nd April 2003 21:49 UTC

Just offtopic for a second but Gonzo, do you know where Rocker is? you seem to have become quite active but i have yet to see a post from Rocker. I didn't think it was worth a new post so i'll put it in here.

anubis2003

2nd April 2003 21:51 UTC

How did this thread become open again? Raz, did you somehow gain modding powers?:p

Gonzotek

2nd April 2003 21:53 UTC

No idea really. He's an aussie and I'm from Southern NJ, USA, so our paths don't cross all that much.

-gonzo

mikm

2nd April 2003 21:55 UTC

Originally posted by Gonzotek
Other than asking that you follow the rules of the forum, what have I done? That thread wasn't locked by me. I've been asked to do this, it wasn't my idea, but your actions that precipitated this.

Our problem is that this forum is bogged down by posts that have been asked and answered many times. First off, almost any n00b question is answered in the FAQ. Second, n00bs tend to ignore the big, red letters telling them to search the forums. After getting the same questions over and over and over again, all of us tend to get to the end of our rope because we are tired of answering the questions and it gives us less time to answer important questions and help each other perfect their packs.

This is also fueled by regulars in these forums who are constantly making pointless, nonsensical posts or who say things without thinking or without knowing what they are talking about.

We are also annoyed by people who come to this forum with a non-AVS post (i.e. the question about the playlist and the sentence game thread)

dirkdeftly

2nd April 2003 21:57 UTC

Inexplicably, my goodbye letter, which had something to say on that point, seems to have vanished. Seems like "strike one" for mod one to me :hang: Somehow this seems very reminiscent to the Matrix scene where the agents capture Neo for the first time...or maybe it's just me.
Just in case anyone wanted to know, the second to last line was:

as for gonzotek and rocker, go ahead, silence me. prove my point, cunts.

You don't know a fucking thing about this forum. Think twice before you go around deleting threads :mad:

dirkdeftly

2nd April 2003 21:58 UTC

Yup.
Gee, and you guys wonder why I resent the new mods so much. Wonder what this is all about? Talk to gonzoboy :mad:

mikm

2nd April 2003 21:59 UTC

so it did disappear...if you really DO leave, Atero, I will miss you.

Gonzotek

2nd April 2003 22:00 UTC

Originally posted by Michaelthecat
Our problem is that this forum is bogged down by posts that have been asked and answered many times. First off, almost any n00b question is answered in the FAQ. Second, n00bs tend to ignore the big, red letters telling them to search the forums. After getting the same questions over and over and over again, all of us tend to get to the end of our rope because we are tired of answering the questions and it gives us less time to answer important questions and help each other perfect their packs.

This is also fueled by regulars in these forums who are constantly making pointless, nonsensical posts or who say things without thinking or without knowing what they are talking about.

We are also annoyed by people who come to this forum with a non-AVS post (i.e. the question about the playlist and the sentence game thread)

How is that different from any other forum? Winamp3 Discussion and Winamp3 Skins and Scripting have the same issues, and the solution is the same: follow the rules and fulfill the purpose of the forum while enjoying yourself.

-=Gonzotek=-

Gonzotek

2nd April 2003 22:03 UTC

You don't know a fucking thing about this forum. Think twice before you go around deleting threads

Think twice before you flame. Whether I know anything about this forum or not, that post was, to be kind to you, highly inflammatory.

I keep giving you the benefit of the doubt that you wanted to be part of this forum. I've asked for your suggestions, I've ignored blatent examples of flaming BY YOU, and I've given you every opportunity to prove your not what they say you are. You're hanging yourself here.

-=Gonzotek=-

mikm

2nd April 2003 22:04 UTC

hmmm...did you merge the 'Yup. thread?'

Gonzotek

2nd April 2003 22:05 UTC

Threads merged. I can take the heat. Try calling me a long-nosed weirdo muppet-man next.

-Gonzotek

mikm

2nd April 2003 22:11 UTC

[edit]whoops...just realized that Rovastar posted the picture...[/edit]

dirkdeftly

2nd April 2003 22:20 UTC

"Highly inflamatory." No shit, dumbfuck. Then again, I suppose you'd have to tell everyone else seeing as how you wouldn't let anyone read it. So it was "highly inflammatory." Wanna know the one thing worse than being "highly inflammatory"? Abusing power.

mikm

2nd April 2003 22:24 UTC

whoa...Atero's REALLY blown his top

but, I think Atero has a point

Rovastar

2nd April 2003 22:25 UTC

Well take a holiday for a couple of weeks.

anubis2003

2nd April 2003 22:30 UTC

Wow, this thread is confusing. Atero, calm down. Just chill with the flaming - we've been asking you to do this for a long time. Gonzo is merely trying to restore order. You follow the simple rules and you won't get in trouble.

Rovastar

2nd April 2003 22:32 UTC

Atero post was removed as he offensively flamed a couple of mods and about 6 members here so Gonzo, rightly so, removed it.

Getting stuck into themods is not a good idea at the best of times but this was silly and he keep going on and on.

I let a lot go with atero as he was a useful member of teh team here and did sometimes help people out but way do we have to put up with this.

So he is banned initally for a couple of weeks.

mikm

2nd April 2003 22:33 UTC

atero banned? :cry:

Gonzotek

2nd April 2003 22:34 UTC

Abusing power is having valuable knowledge that someone else needs and then flaming them when they ask you about it.

-=Gonzotek=-

DJ Egg

2nd April 2003 22:47 UTC

Originally posted by Michaelthecat
Our problem is that this forum is bogged down by posts that have been asked and answered many times.

Hey dude. Try responding to tech support questions for 3 years, hehe. We've got countless stickies/faq's, and a TSGH forum . . . but still we get the same questions over and over again.
The best tip I can give you is to take a page out of mine and Sawg's books, and knock up a text file of links, so when someone asks the same old question, all you need to do is point them to the relevant thread.
If it's answered in the faq, then knock up a simple copy+paste reply. Then it only takes a matter of seconds to post a reply.
And be as cool, patient and courteous as hell, no matter how much it hurts, lol.

Originally posted by Atero
Gee, and you guys wonder why I resent the new mods so much. Wonder what this is all about? Talk to gonzoboy :mad:

Now what was it I said in the other thread about prospective moderator material? ;)
Remember, no-one is bigger than the forums themselves.
Apparently, you've already been sent many private warnings about flaming members, and now I'm warning you in public. Persistent flaming will NOT be tolerated!
Just to let the other good people here know, Atero posted a "leaving" message, where he blatently cursed and flamed other members and moderators in person.
Not nice, not nice at all.
As evidence, the thread was (re)moved.
Trust me, you do NOT want to see it!

Whether Atero leaves on his own accord or not, you'll be seeing a lot less of him around these parts in the not too distant future... sad, but true :(
A temp ban means there's a second (conditional) chance.
After that, it becomes permanent.

anubis2003

2nd April 2003 22:48 UTC

Damn it atero, now we don't have the n00binator here anymore. You did a great job of handling the n00bs most of the time - except when you went overboard and started flaming them. Oh well, should still be able to hold them off for a couple of weeks. See you when you come back(and please do come back).

jheriko

2nd April 2003 22:52 UTC

The funny side of all of this is that the thread title is 'Please don't flame me but...'

anubis2003

2nd April 2003 22:53 UTC

LMAO. Yeah, isn't that ironic. Atero just got banned for flaming people. He didn't flame idiot though(although it's hard not to - just saying his name makes the post sound derrogatory:p ).

DJ Egg

2nd April 2003 22:59 UTC

Yes, life can be so ironic at times ;)
However, I'm sure you'll all cope nicely in Atero's absence.

Now please get back to making all those totally mental presets.
Nothing else to see here. Move along.

Thank you :)

Topic continued here

*whacked*

/me sneaks off back to the tech forums