[Ishan]

28th March 2003 08:06 UTC

Anybody who can help a kid in makin avs?
:cry: Any Major Dude out there yo help a baby?
well i'm ishan Publisher of the rocky avs series and i would like some one to help me make avs's i am fairly good with dm's and ssc's but i really am not able to make what i want in ssc's and i and trying and trying to make a tunnel avs but :( still not able to make a good one.
Any suggestions how to make one?:up:

Tuggummi

28th March 2003 08:15 UTC

Too bad im not a major dude...

dirkdeftly

28th March 2003 08:29 UTC

:sigh: y'know, it's REALLY too bad I've been saying I've been good to n00bs lately.

Cos I'm going to have to burn this one to a crisp :mad:


First point of business: Major dude has to do with how many posts you have. Anubis2003 has been here 3 months and has 3000-some posts, making him a Forum King. Tuggummi here has been here two years and has less than 500 posts, making him a Senior Member. I've been here a year and 8 months and have 1700-some posts, making me a Major Dude. Everyone here will agree that Tuggummi is a much more experienced AVS artist than either me or Anubis. The point being that post count and time registered does not make the AVSer.
Second order of business: Remember when it said, in giant fucking flaming red letters to SEARCH THE FORUM BEFORE YOU POST? Remember that link to the AVS Frequently Asked Questions thread at the top of the forum? If you can't, go back and take a look at them. See how fucking impossible to miss they are? Well you did. You, my friend, are what we in the biz call a "fucking moron". THIS IS THE GODDAMNED AVS FORUM. Don't you think SOMEBODY would've asked "how I can AVS" by now? USE YOUR HEAD.
http://www.yakresearch.com/gifs/alexander/dumbass.JPG


Oh...and welcome to the AVS forum. :hang:

Phaze1987

28th March 2003 10:41 UTC

hahahah! Ishan you`ve just met our Terminator3 :)

Magic.X

28th March 2003 11:09 UTC

Originally posted by Atero
Cos I'm going to have to burn this one to a crisp :mad:

anubis2003

28th March 2003 11:45 UTC

I basically agree with Atero. I'm a decent avser and have been doing it for about a year and a half, but I am not as devoted to avs as many of the people here are. In fact, some of the major avs people have very few posts here(duo,fsk,etc.). Search the forums and you will find a lot of threads that can help you. Even recently there have been a couple threads about making a tunnel.

[Ishan]

28th March 2003 13:38 UTC

Well i think you all out there are the fuckin ones.if u dont know i am the author of Rocky avs series and i recommend that u check it out yourselves and by the way the only thing i wanted from you all was some help i did'nt know that a new forum member is treated like this i very shocked by your replies i thought that people were at least helpful.
well thanks anyway for your reply atero,tuggumi,magicx,phase1867
and by the way i did'nt only ask a major dude i asked help from anybody who is better than me in making avs's and that does not include u atero :angry:

skupers

28th March 2003 15:21 UTC

Atero, maybe you could just reply a bit more polite? Ishan_Rocky made a mistake, but there are nicer ways to tell him that.

UnConeD

28th March 2003 15:50 UTC

Nah... if they come back in spite of Atero, we know they're really dedicated :P.

But I don't really have to add anything other than the non-insulting bits of Atero's post: search the forums, read the FAQ.

Raz

28th March 2003 16:09 UTC

lmao atero, nice job. You need to be polite but every so often you need to give them a piece of your mind. Keeps them on their toes :up:

Phaze1987

28th March 2003 20:28 UTC

IT IS PHAZE1987 !!!! I get pissed when somebody messes with my nick.

mikm

28th March 2003 21:32 UTC

Originally posted by Ishan_Rocky
i asked help from anybody who is better than me in making avs's and that does not include u atero :angry:

anubis2003

28th March 2003 21:42 UTC

Rocky, I know you are the author of the Rocky series because you said so in your first post. Personally I did not like any of your packs that I have downloaded and Atero is a much better AVSer than you, IMO. And why didn't you thank me? You thanked atero who made some pretty bad remarks towards you, but you didn't thank me when I even talked some about the tunnel presets? That makes me mad.

dirkdeftly

28th March 2003 22:23 UTC

fyi, that "game of life" ape is pure 100% undiluted bullshit :)

Pixelcraft

29th March 2003 02:45 UTC

Man, that's funny!

Rocky, it's just that these kind of questions happen so much, that eventually our man Atero (and probably some other people in the forums) are gonna snap. :eek:

I can't say I didn't see this coming, but just search the FAQ and forums and stuff, and keep up the :up: work on your presets.

Nic01

29th March 2003 03:03 UTC

Actually, it's because he snapped that he started his beloved tradition of taking care of newbies.
I never said taking good care of newbies, note that.

dirkdeftly

29th March 2003 03:35 UTC

"How do I keep AVS from changing?" is one thing. This post was one of the best examples of sheer stupidity that I've ever seen in my life. Sorry if I offended anybody.

Wait-- no I'm not.

[Ishan]

29th March 2003 08:28 UTC

well sorry i bothered u guys i guess you all just dont like new comers and besides i dont want any sucking idiots helping me(expect tuggumi)

blazer1504

29th March 2003 08:47 UTC

i think Atero IS better at making AVS than you are.

To prove me wrong do this:

Build a hypercube with your own code
Build a hypersphere with your own code
Build a life algorithim preset without using the Game of Life APE.

EnDurA

29th March 2003 08:50 UTC

ishan, don't worry bout atero, he's just a n00biator, all da n00bs get flamed by him, don worry, but, yeah use "search the forums" in futre, or clearly that ur either extremly lazy, or um just that 1 :D

Phaze1987

29th March 2003 12:12 UTC

So im a sucking idiot ???? Bitch if you come in Europe i`ll rape and squash your head! And how the hell did this thread get 20 replies ???And no do not answer.

Illusion

29th March 2003 14:31 UTC

OK.. I've been reading through these posts recently (haven't been to the AVS forums for a couple of months) - what is the big deal here, guys? I think you're taking all this stuff a bit too far.

Just take it easy, stop flaming each other, and actually try and help people that come here. It might encourage people to ask for help, whereas at the moment the entire forum is all about flaming and hassling new people.

Please guys, show some maturity, and try and keep the forums fair and reasonable to all.

anubis2003

29th March 2003 14:36 UTC

We will help them if they first try and help themselves. Sure, some of the people in these forums do go a bit too far, but they have for as long as I've been here. The flaming has gotten out of control. I'll agree with you there. It's partially because of the moderator of these forums currently having a lot going on in his life and not being able to moderate these forums adaquately.

Illusion

29th March 2003 14:53 UTC

Granted, he may have asked a basic question, but you did (well, mainly Atero) kinda jumped all over him, without giving him a chance. There was nothing wrong with just posting "Please read the FAQ first, then ask questions later" - short, sharp and to the point.

Rova is trying his best to moderate these forums, but you guys should be able to sort things out by yourselves! We don't have these kind of arguments over at the MD forums - we don't try and hassle people or get on each others' nerves. I'm not blaming anyone individually here, but I think a lot of you should jsut ignore a post if you don't like it. This will help stop the unnecessary flaming.

Remember, you're supposed to be here to discuss cool ideas for a great visualisation program, not to have constant power struggles and flaming...

anubis2003

29th March 2003 15:01 UTC

I normally do not jump all over them. Normally I will just post "Please search the forums/read the FAQ/google", but Atero beat me to it. Atero is known for his harshness to these kinds of questions, and normally the rest of us try to soften his blow some. He is a valuable asset to these forums, and does help keep the n00bs from constantly asking these questions. After one meeting with Atero, most of them never post a simple question again. Ignoring their posts won't help much either, because then they would get mad that nobody responds, and they still wouldn't come up with an answer.

Also, not trying to say anything bad about Rovastar, but he does spend a lot more time in the MD forums, and that may be part of the reason why they are under better control. Plus, they don't have Atero.:p

mikm

29th March 2003 15:03 UTC

We are just kinda pissed because we get so many of these kinds of questions, and nobody bothers to read the FAQ or search the forums.

The FAQ is at the top of the page and when starting a new thread, BIG RED LETTERS asking to search before posting.

[EDIT] Anubis beat me to the submit reply button [/edit]

Illusion

29th March 2003 15:05 UTC

Originally posted by anubis2003
Plus, they don't have Atero.:p [/B]

anubis2003

29th March 2003 15:18 UTC

You did not just say MD is better than AVS. The war's on now.:p

I understand your view of Atero, but we can't change how he acts. He does a good job keeping the n00bs at bay, and it is pretty rare that a flame war starts(the last one was legohead, I think, but that one is still going on).

Just curious, do you think the AVS forums should have another mod?

Pixelcraft

29th March 2003 15:24 UTC

I accindentaly called you "Rocky" instead of Ishan :o

Okay, maybe we should finally answer his question which was:

How can I make a good tunnel in AVS?

My answer is: I don't know.:D sorry!

Illusion

29th March 2003 15:29 UTC

Originally posted by anubis2003
You did not just say MD is better than AVS.

mikm

29th March 2003 15:44 UTC

this is another example of why we need a new mod...
this thread should have been locked after the first reply,but its three pages long.

Nic01

29th March 2003 16:13 UTC

Three pages long? One to me... Ah, the wonders of 40-posts-a-page. Second page and it's a huge thread.

Anyways :

There are many ways to make a tunnel... too many perhaps...

First you can do the usual d=atan(d) movement for a (mostly static view) illusion.

Or you can try the trick in Degnic's "Pipeline" (Right preset/author?) and do some stretchings to simulate a less static view.

Or you can use an rx-dy (Not rd-xy!) movement and make it into a texture and add some transes. (Tuggummi - Putki)

There's also a more complex solution involving raytracing (Read : Raytracing a tunnel). This is by far one of the best solutions (Yes, a bit slow and one bad edge...), but gives you the most freedom in camera movements/rotations. The only problems are figuring out the DM (Just do a little study) and figuring out the right texture.

The last (But certainly not least) is using an SSC, with either the 2D or 3D approach - Both works nicely, but the 3d one is much better.
For a 2d approach, I recommend objects moving in and out (sync+wrapped movement) to give that 3d illusion.

For 3d, you're home free... Until you run into the lots of problems...
You can use a dot-only SSC and texer it so that you can clip the points behind the cam easily and without stray lines (Nic01 - Dot Warpin').

If you want to use lines, you'll either need to use a lot of points for up-to-date clips (Otherwise, ugly lines and ugly edges)... You *can* just clip it, but it takes some work to get the clipping right.
You can also cheat and confine the cam into one view (Nic01 - Just a Tunnel), and with the right tricks, it can make up for the lack of cam movement.

Hope this helps.

Ches Dragon

30th March 2003 03:54 UTC

youdbe kidding to say that Atero didnt do that just to keep up a reputation.

dirkdeftly

30th March 2003 08:22 UTC

:igor: fuck you ches.

shreyas_potnis

30th March 2003 10:08 UTC

uh..Hi Ishan, and welcome to the forums..as I have already told sometime before and I am telling it now too ( after a bit of modification ) that, every n00b who is stupid enough to ask questions without searching the forums gets scolded here... :D
and I am happy that atleast there is ome other Indian here..... :)

legohead

31st March 2003 00:07 UTC

Ummm ... who's the real dumbassess in this thread?
The guy who's asked an innocent enough question? (I don't care whether it upsets you or not??)

Or the "tools" who spend fk knows how long crapping on, typing pages and pages of useless dribble about how to use a forum properly, we're sick of hearing your shit etc... trying to defend it by saying it will SAVE THEM THE TIME AND HASSLE OF DEALING WITH noobS and Noobish questions???

Some of you spend more time correcting useless questions than you do talking about avs. Report your goddam whining to the mod and leave the forums clear of uneccessary shyte!

Heres an even easier method. Just type in:
Please search the forums before posting unneccessary questions.
And then leave the thread. derrrrrrr.... that took me about 10 seconds to do.

dirkdeftly

31st March 2003 05:35 UTC

Hmm...let's see...

You just took about three minutes to bitch about people taking three minutes to bitch about stupid questions.

Who's the real dumbass in this thread?

legohead

31st March 2003 06:33 UTC

It took you three minutes to read four paragraphs? I took me 30 secs to write which will hopefully save me hours of plucking through your ranty drivel.

Hmmm... I think it would've taken you longer to crap on about what a major dude is/isn't then rant then find and download a graphic with dumbass on it... deerrrrr....

dirkdeftly

31st March 2003 07:17 UTC

for your information, i happened to be browsing the "funny-assed pictures thread" in gd at the same time. <edit> saw the dumbass picture and thought it was appropriate. dammit i hate trying to make posts on 4 hrs of sleep and 12 hrs of wake... </edit>

and it takes a lot longer to type than it does to read. the fastest typists i know read twice to three times as fast as they type. i type relatively slowly, but then again i'm usually on a really loud keyboard so i kinda have too...it'd take me about a minute and a half to type that all up, but when you're thinking about what you're typing at the same time it takes about twice that long. hence three minutes.

pwnt.

[Ishan]

31st March 2003 08:08 UTC

Look u guys i'm sorry i said all that I'M really very sorry :(
i did'nt mean to abuse anyone , im really sorry phaze and atero :(
i'm really sorry that the fighting in here start because of me, i seek your advice atero and search the faq OK?
Look i say again that i'm really ver sorry everyone.
AND BIG SORRY TO PHAZE and ATERO.

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 08:15 UTC

eh..how man sorries u gonna sa ma keboard gone craze :cr:
some kes don work :(

[Ishan]

31st March 2003 08:22 UTC

well i'll say as many sorries it takes to cool everybody down ,
And i dont blame any one for abusing or blaming me ,
it's just that i was in a bad mood :\ in previous posts , and shreyas im gald to that an indian is here.:)

EnDurA

31st March 2003 08:32 UTC

(gets fire extinguser) geez guys, ur burning the building down!
don't feel sorry, heck, its just a bit annoying seeing the same posts over and over again, thats all.

atero and legoman, y don't u do this in PM's or sump??

Magic.X

31st March 2003 09:06 UTC

I think all n00bs do the same fault at least once not to search the forums (me included when i first got here).

I agree that it's anoying to read the same questions every week again, especially if it already has been discussed many times before. On the other Hand, what if we'll once have discussed everything in here? Discussing something twice can be fun too.

@ Ishan, you'll have to admit that it's fun anyway, to watch Atero getting in rage :p don't take it too personal.

[Ishan]

31st March 2003 09:20 UTC

ya i guess it was fun but really it got too hot to call it fun :0
now guys (specially atero and phaze) i hope you are not mad at me anymore :p

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 09:25 UTC

eah forge ip,
me oo go scolding

hope ou can figure bad language

[Ishan]

31st March 2003 09:29 UTC

Atero , phaze and everybody will you all still be my buddies?;)

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 09:31 UTC

too much Ishan...no one cares :p

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 09:32 UTC

so ou canged the signaure.

pos pump

EnDurA

31st March 2003 09:33 UTC

hes right, mmm food

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 09:34 UTC

real chat!!!!!
me got to cop paste to tpe

EnDurA

31st March 2003 09:34 UTC

to post pump, go 2 GD (general discussions) forgot, u are new

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 09:35 UTC

me not new here, same as ur rank

[Ishan]

31st March 2003 09:35 UTC

Hey Shreyas , i dont know about others but u?:c

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 09:36 UTC

what me?

EnDurA

31st March 2003 09:36 UTC

i no ur a sienor, i do have eyes, i talking to ishan, argh! ANOTHER POST!

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 09:38 UTC

:) cool

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 09:41 UTC

where is everone ??????

[Ishan]

31st March 2003 09:41 UTC

hey what's a pump?(please dont get annoyed im new)

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 09:43 UTC

icrease posts to increase rank!!
simple

Magic.X

31st March 2003 09:45 UTC

Post pumping is just what shreyas does, making a lot of (mostly sensless) posts to get your rate up quickly.

He's just demonstrating bad behaviour :p

[Ishan]

31st March 2003 09:46 UTC

shreyas when is your second pack going to be completed?

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 09:48 UTC

look in ma signature

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 09:51 UTC

see biulding prese

:up: go here
spam...:D
i jus want everone to see this preset

[Ishan]

31st March 2003 09:52 UTC

i know it but i said WHEN WILL YOUR SECOND PACK BE COMPLETED-COMPLETED?
and do u really post senseless posts?

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 09:55 UTC

well, its completed,
and as far as 'do u really post senseless posts?'
the answer is NO.
i am in a naughty mood today,
and ma keboard gone crazy.

ok, using edit :) ::
i said its not published

[Ishan]

31st March 2003 09:58 UTC

well nice preset(concrete jungle) but as tuggumi said it needs originality(i know that im not very original ) but nice anyway.

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 10:01 UTC

but as tuggummi said ...
add a m :p

[Ishan]

31st March 2003 10:03 UTC

AND? Everthings cooled down i hope?(atero are u listening?):<

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 10:05 UTC

he never got angr in the first place,
just fake anger i guess :p

Magic.X

31st March 2003 10:07 UTC

/me converts this thred into chat

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 10:07 UTC

rovastar, delete this thread,
lot of PHALtU talk going on here

Magic.X

31st March 2003 10:12 UTC

If you want chatting go to Irc.****.org / #*******

[Ishan]

31st March 2003 10:16 UTC

me too! as the starter of this thread i order everybody to stop posting here. ;)

shreyas_potnis

31st March 2003 10:21 UTC

u r no mod to do that

Magic.X

31st March 2003 10:33 UTC

Ok, he cant order anyone but ask friendly ;)

Jaak

31st March 2003 10:46 UTC

deamn!
i allways miss good post-pump-topics...
but it not too late

Magic.X

31st March 2003 10:50 UTC

Originally posted by Jack the king
but it not too late

[Ishan]

31st March 2003 13:47 UTC

Hey can i change the heading of this thread to "post puming"?;)

[Ishan]

31st March 2003 13:54 UTC

Hey can i change the heading of this thread to "post puming"?;)

Illusion

31st March 2003 15:41 UTC

You probably could, especially considering you posted the same reply twice...

Jaak

31st March 2003 16:29 UTC

thats the easiest way to do Pust-Pumpin'
someboady should PM rovastar or some other 'admin'

Rovastar

31st March 2003 19:01 UTC

Geez cannot a couple of days go by without you lot fighting amonst yourselves about....well, nothing.

Sometimes I feel that the plan is to cause flame wars on purpose so you get another mod. This is not the right way at all. The way I look at things is I do not know who will be worthy of being a mod and have teh power going to the head.

I only became a mod to move posts and stuff around NOT to be the policeman of the forums. I am sick of all your argueing.

Please chill on the flames people. I normally turn a blind eye to mild newbie bashing but this is going too far.

Atero (sorry to pick you out) if you are to talk to a newbie then please do so politely otherwise say nothing at all. This isn't complaticated it is simple.

You do not have to attack all the newbies here. MAybe take a leaf out of UnConeD's book and just cut and paste the standard read the FAQ.

WHat do I have to start threating you people with warning and bans and stuff so you play nice. WHat are you people 12 years old or something!!

Feel free to PM me if you have any issues with post and stuff. And I thank all those taht have done so so far.

Thanks for teh sensible words Illusion. BTW I spend more time here then teh MD forums due to all the hassle here. :);)

Raz

31st March 2003 19:41 UTC

Would all you post pumping people please take you business elsewhere. Have a 3 way conversation over msn, a chatroom, #*******, anywhere. This is a Forum, not a messenger service.

That flame war didn't exactly cause me or anyone else any inconvenience but it does leave the forum a more hostile place to spend time and therfore, less fun. Atero's original post was funny i admit but both atero and legohead took it too far.

Legohead: atero has quite a bit of respect around here as a knowledgable avs artist but i have seen very little contribution from you. If all you're here for is to occasionally cause flame wars over a flame war then take your hypocritical business elsewhere.

Atero: please cool it. The first post was funny but it was directed towards a possible valued member. If you destroy every noobh who comes in here then no-one will be left eventually. Calm down. Give them a piece of your mind occasionally sure but keep it to a very minimum. The flame towards this thread is because you say the words "how do i make avs" and didn't read the post properly. The actual question was "how do i make a tunnel in avs?".

Ishran: your original post was a legitimate question but it has been answered before, do a quick search in future. Don't make a habit of posting like in the second page, maybe in GD go nuts, thats awash with that kind of thing but lets try and keep this forum directed on AVS.

Rova we realise you do a lot for these forums but we wanted a little more control in here which is why we asked. It has been resolved now, we have Gonzo and Rocker so it dosent matter any more. This entire thread is of no use to anyone except nic01's post on how to make a tunnel and would be much better off locked in my opinion.

Jaak

31st March 2003 20:08 UTC

OK!
Everybody heard what Rova and Raz sayd, there is nothing to see here anymore... nothing to see...
Lets all split up now...

legohead

31st March 2003 23:25 UTC

Raz\:
Unfortunately I can't help out as much as I'd like on this forum - Im on a work dsl line so its kinda hard to test peoples presets/code with no sound card (hence no winamp)! :) And by the time I get home and manage to grab 5 to look at it - its already answered by the next day or two.

Im sure you'll find I've helped quite a few people out where possible. I have tried PMing rather than bringing trash into the threads but it hasn't worked (someone likes taking pms and publishing them in the forum) Someones had to stick up to the roughneck attitude this forums holding towards new users - asking a seemingly lame question is all part of the learning process and its not a crime - its not like they've pissed in your mouth.
I come here for knowledge as do other "noobs" (I hate that word - I could probably code most of you under the table anyday - I wrote my first program at 7 years of age on a mac IIe) I didn't expect childish insults - and I've only thrown it back at him after alot of initial provocation.

Im hoping at least some of you will take my advice and put one simple, non threatening comment on unwanted threads.
'please search the forums' etc...then everyones happy.

[Ishan]

1st April 2003 08:27 UTC

Rovastar please lock this thread cause the fighting is starting once again and i feel sad that it was all because of me:(

[Ishan]

1st April 2003 08:36 UTC

Rovastar please lock this thread cause the fighting is starting once again and i feel sad that it was all because of me:(

[Ishan]

1st April 2003 08:55 UTC

hey i dont know whats happening!:wierd my post is being dislayed twice(im honest i dont do this on pupose really!)

[Ishan]

1st April 2003 09:02 UTC

i figured it out ! i had two windows open of winamp forums so the post was displayed twice. sorry(AND I WAS NOT POST PUMPING) infact i have no problem in remaining as a junior member as long as i get to talk to people

Rovastar

1st April 2003 11:09 UTC

:) use the edit button. :)

No-one is blaming you rocky although maybe you could have been more descriptive in your request. Rather than the making a general 'tellme how to make cool AVS' type posts.

Anyway this thread has come to the end of it's natural life and teh padlock is out.