UnConeD

8th December 2002 23:18 UTC

End of Whacko
There's no point in stretching, so here goes: Whacko AVS VI is the last in the series, there won't be a VII.

There are several reasons for my 'departure', I'll try to sum up the most important ones:

- My life is becoming busier and busier. College is taking up a lot of time, and I'm not even doing much. Exams are coming up and I find I have tons of work to catch up... AVS has been taking away too much time for me.

- AVS is frozen. It's been ages since we've had any improvement in AVS. We're still stuck at 2.5(.1), with a huge wishlist still growing every week. It's definitely a challenge to keep trying to innovate on a fixed platform, but when the challenge becomes a chore, it's not fun anymore. In Whacko AVS VI I had to spend ages trying to come up with new ideas...
On top of that, we never hear anything from the people who developed AVS, it's like AVS is the annoying piece of software that is still used but that no-one wants to update because its architecture is outdated. I really hope the current Nullsoft-silence is because they're working on an AVS3 that will be hardware accelerated and include all the things we want, but then again that's just wishful thinking: Nullsoft has always been eager to release beta's and previews, so why would they keep this a secret? The same goes for AVS presets on the winamp.com site... non-AVSers find that presets swamp the database, and tons of low-quality work is included in it. It's unorganized and hard to find anything if you don't know it by name.

- I'm running out of ideas. I hinted at it here above, but I'll say it again: making Whacko AVS VI was damn hard. I kept thinking what the hell else I could do that wouldn't look like something that could've come out of packs I-V. I have a few neat ideas, but none of them are possible in AVS without getting an FPS below 0.1 on a shiny new PC. Innovation has always been the trademark of Whacko AVS, so without it people would just get disappointed.

- After 6 packs, people are still complaining about style and responsiveness. You might say that these people are jerks, but look at the ratings El-vis or Fsk or any of the other technically superior packs got. No-one complains about style with them, so obviously they are doing something that I'm not. And if after 6 packs, I still can't make presets with style, then why would I expect a seventh pack would be better? The idea of making technically complex presets was the original idea behind Whacko AVS, yet that's obviously not enough.

I'm going to take a break from AVSing. I might come back in a few months, but that's not a promise, more of a wish. AVS has been fun, but for the reasons above, I can't continue anymore.

Nevertheless I see good things on the horizon, with all the talented authors around :).


(PS: For the faq or wishlist, I suggest someone else who feels up to it takes the responsibility. Just bug Rovastar if you want an update, but try to submit everything in copy/pastable UBB code so he has as little work as needed.)

Zevensoft

8th December 2002 23:31 UTC

It will be sad to see you go, but will you still stick around here at least?

UnConeD

8th December 2002 23:51 UTC

Not really. Hanging around the forums would just be a waste of time if I'm not AVSing.

Rovastar

9th December 2002 01:07 UTC

Sad to see you go
I understand your reasons behind. the interest has drained from the WA point of view on AVS and mny other things. And trying to turn the wheels of change is more difficult too.

I fully understaad the coming up with new ideas thing. Ohers pushing the boundaries by creating better stuff with new things to be creative with pushes you to do new stuff without it motivation wanies. I am there myself. :)

You were a well respected member of these forums and you no doubt inspired many in there life of AVSing. Your input will be missed.

Good verbally sparing with you too. :)

Sorry too stoned to make a decent reply.

Xion(810)

9th December 2002 01:23 UTC

good bye coned...you would be able to make one preset every now and again, just for the hell of it or is this cold turkey for AVS?

uNDefineD

9th December 2002 02:43 UTC

Goodbye UC, it's sad to see you leave. You were a definite influence on everyone here and will be sorely missed.

::dedicates NDD3 to UnConeD::

dirkdeftly

9th December 2002 03:39 UTC

Sad to see you go, Steven. You've been a huge inspiration to all of us. I can't tell you how many times I've thought, "How would UnConeD do it?" when trying to figure something out. I hope you'll come by the forums occaisionally, and give us, for lack of a better phrase, a piece of your mind :p

I just want to say one thing: The guys saying that you have no style and your presets aren't responsive are dicks, you've got a shit ton more style than El-Vis ever has or will. Don't be bitter about it; there's absolutely no reason to it.

You're definitely the most original artist to ever do AVS, I can understand you running out of ideas. IF, in your 'spare time', you could try coding a new version of AVS, you'd be bascially a god. Just a thought :)


Spod geed, and may our croths pass again. Long live Whacko!

Tuggummi

9th December 2002 06:04 UTC

Just two words: "Don't look back"

Otherwise you will get all sentimental and shit, and nobody likes old sport stars trying to "catch up" the old days :p

Just leave avs once and for all, if that's your plan. Saying that you might come back is like you never left... Look at El-Vis, he published history and said "NO MORE" and what do we get after that? Yup, Illusions! And after that he starts to publish a loads of single presets at deviantart.com :D

Ok, now im just talking random stuff...

Anyway, if you say you leave, LEAVE, don't say "I'll be bag" , because if you do so, people will expect you to come back and if you don't come back people will get disapointed and hang themselfs in their bathrooms... :blah:



btw. I would love to see Picture Render II , because im going to make "Bitmapped" series in the future too, even though the first Bitmapped was pure shit...



Take care Steven.
In the end, i loved your work.

Jaheckelsafar

9th December 2002 06:46 UTC

Sorry to see you go. Truth be told, the whacko series is my favourite.

Thanks for all the help you've given others and me. We'll miss you in the forums. :(

dirkdeftly

9th December 2002 08:29 UTC

Shut up Tuggummi!! :p

Hey wait a minute...
YOU'VE GOT WORK TO DO!!! Finish Render / Picture II, THEN you can "leave" ;)

EnDurA

9th December 2002 11:18 UTC

Thanks Unconed for all your AVS packs, you are a true AVS king. Though it is a pitty that you are leaving, may you excel in everything you do in your life.;)

PAK-9

9th December 2002 17:00 UTC

Man, it will be a serious shame to see you leave, I've always considered you a huge inspiration. I hope you'll reconsider and stay, but I know what you mean about Nullsoft, I wrote a rant in my Pack 2 along the same lines.:(

Clinical

9th December 2002 21:29 UTC

UnConeD, Master of Cubes, quitting the business? Aww, that sucks... but I understand your reasons. As for the idiots that bashed you... well, they obviously don't know what they're talking about. As long as YOU like what you make, you can call it a success, right? Not to mention the fact that just about everybody here loves your stuff... so yeah. I wish you luck in whatever it is you choose to do with your time from now on, and I will be consoled only by the fact that I'll have my hands full for the next 15 years trying to figure out all the presets you've made. Godthpeed, thir. :)

nixa

9th December 2002 21:35 UTC

Its so sad to see you go. You always made very creative, original and stylish presets and about responcivness - on beat runing presets were there since since first non newpick presets(Tonic first pack) and you did make some spectrum responding presets too.
Anyway I hope that once you will get bored while listening to music and start making avs again.

VisualAgnosia

10th December 2002 00:14 UTC

Whatheshibedishbahhh!!
UnConeD,
Sometimes when I'm stoned,
I put on Whacko for inspiration,
All the Net I have combed
Other AVSers are unthroned,
I hope your not leaving due to,
Tall poppy syndrome,

Ahh shit the best forum member is leaving

:cry:
I saw this poll in the general disscusions form that hada vote for forum member of the year or something It should'a been YOU UnConed.

Bloody dingo's me wallabe and me wombat's in a bloody kanagroo court. It's all gone to shit Darl' I tell ya.

Well Seriously If your study is lacking because your spending too much time on presets then.... have a break ... If you say your leaving like Tuggummi says, then your cutting off your moral option of comming back. I'd be more inclined to say "Fuck ya's I'm not gonna make presets unless I bloody well feel like it and if you dont like em then you can stick them right up your arse hole so far that you'll be seeing colours every time you open your mouth to say anything."

If inspirations starting to leave you its just because you leaving the learning curve at it's highest point, the presets you find now will be far and few between and only do it when you enjoy it .. dont cut yourself off alltogether... You might regret it and end up being one of those romantic rememberance type ppl, bit gay really..

Don't leave UnConeD this place'll suck with out you.

Visual:igor:Agnosia

Yathosho

10th December 2002 15:07 UTC

Re: End of Whacko

Originally posted by UnConeD
After 6 packs, people are still complaining about style and responsiveness. You might say that these people are jerks, but look at the ratings El-vis or Fsk or any of the other technically superior packs got

fsk

10th December 2002 15:15 UTC

No way
Now this is some BAD news.
Steven stop kidding these are serius things you are talkin about :D. You leave the AVS sceene!? That would be such a waste.
I know you have the right to make desition, but in this case I am personaly forbbiding you from doing it:hang:. I mean yeah AVS is curently hibernateing (for about two years now - :rolleyes:I still remember my moveing particle, simple ,and a swirll both ways preset days, and that feeling I got when seeing your or el-vises presets, man I wanna do that to:D),but it wount be like that forever. Do you think that winamp could exist without a visualisation plugin (i hope not)? If that ever happend I would switch to media player imidietly,just for kicks. Even if AVS is an obsuleete piece of software, if we keep produceing quality presets they should be so nice to update it or at least make a new one if they think its out of date:D. If they dont we'll put our heads together to hack in to theyr comp. and steal the source :D (and when we do who do you think will have to edit it?:D). If you dont have any ideas try doing a Whacko beat detection algorithm. That would take care of those "we need more detection" comments:D.
About the style thing: I mean if you belive in what you do there shouldnt be any problem, just keep doing your techy presets and dont pay attention to those comments (they are mostly written by 13 year old kids with nothin to do:weird:). Anyway you got style, most of your intros are awsome and the signature pict. U use in the forums here is cool to (not to talk about presets like mission to mars...) so I dont see whats the problem. If ever in doubt folow a simple rule that sais: Less is MORE :D. (hint: complementary colors arent the only color harmony around:)).

About time and school- I hear ya man:).

O.K. I got carried away :). No I'm serious you cant leave. Just take it easy and do one pack/preset a year. Damn it Steven who will I look up to?:cry:

UnConeD

10th December 2002 16:55 UTC

i understand and respect your reasons, except for the quoted one, if you value bad ratings that high does that mean you don't appreciate the good ratings at all?

Clashman

10th December 2002 19:01 UTC

Gonna miss ya, Coned...
Amongst all the AVS presets I have on my computer, yours are the most intricate I've used. Intricate in looks, intricate in creation, and intricate in the way they work. :up:

I just wish other people would open their eyes and see that it takes true genius to create the things you have - nothing of mine even comes close to it. But there are none so blind as those who will not see the truth - the truth being that you kick ass! :mad:

Adieu...adieu...I shall remember you, and not just to Herald Square, Coned! :p

jonasc1

13th December 2002 18:48 UTC

Well, i'm gonna miss your work. You wil be a legend for all those who make's AVS.

Wish you luck in your life.

jheriko

14th December 2002 17:09 UTC

I hate to sound selfish but what will happen to Render/Picture II?

Xenibalt__

15th December 2002 18:59 UTC

Shit man, that will suck ass ...
THE UnConeD! Leaving forever?!?

- After 6 packs, people are still complaining about style and responsiveness.

Xion(810)

15th December 2002 21:24 UTC

Actually, about the unresponsiveness, they just didn't know quality if it came up to them and hit them in the balls (or fucked them in the ass, whichever you prefer). Yes, some of his presets were kind of lacking in six, but he's been doing this for 6 packs, and he's out of ideas. I only did one pack and I ran out of ideas!! (Even though that may have been the world's largest AVS pack, They were pretty low-quality).

UnConed, if there is a new version out and you're bored off your ass, make a preset.

Here's an idea: A Rush Hour Pack. Each Preset uses only One Hour to make, from start to finish. An Hour is not very much, and if you make a pack of ten that's not even half a day spent on this!

Just don't do this during Finals.

jheriko

15th December 2002 23:32 UTC

Hmmm... pi/tan isn't even an actual number. You must have done pi/tan(pi) where pi was in degrees instead of radians.

Xion: Before my sixth pack I hadn't spent an hour on a single preset.. some of J7 was even made in less than an hour. An hour is tons of time to make an AVS preset.

Anyway, the real intent of my post is:

Please can we *NOT* turn this thread into a 'begging UnConeD back to AVS' thread, that would be lame. Its his decision... live with it.

dirkdeftly

16th December 2002 06:55 UTC

Yeah, guys, give the man a little respect. Think about what he's got to do in his life - it's not all about you here. Nor is AVS *really* that important.

Think of it this way: You've been in a bar all night, playing drinking games. You wanna leave cos you wanna be able to walk once you get home. Everyone in the bar runs after you and grabs you saying, "ONE MORE!"

;)

cmountford

17th December 2002 22:05 UTC

:( I just had a lousy day, and I decided to check in on the AVS forums.

What?!? NO AVS PACK VII!!! :cry:

Why don't we just say you're taking an extended break, that way we can still tell ourselves that you'll be back :(

--edit--:

I just saw in your original message, UC, your comment that you might be back in a few months. Please take the comment I made before the edit like "I second UnConeD's motion."

AVS Forum: Personally, I think that we could raise hell in the forums so that we get the wishlist ideas done.

EVERYONE!!! My thoughts are, if EVERYONE in the AVS forum posts complaints in the bitchlist/General forums...don't make them too specific about AVS...just mention the slowness of responding to certain aspects of programming...and post a link to this thread. If we do this, we stand a good chance of getting what UC says AVS needs. How can they possibly ban all of us? Maybe they can, but that'll just make an even bigger deal out of it. Guys: If any of you know how much I worry about stuff like being banned, you'll realize how important this is! Do it, and do it fast. Also mention that if they ban us, they are essentially cutting off a limb of their own body for each one of us they ban.

--end of edit--\


:cry: THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END! :cry:

Don't listen to those jerks. They are just jealous because they're not that good!

cmountford

17th December 2002 22:22 UTC

Here's another idea...make generalized complaints & put a very obvious link in your sig to this thread. Or do both, and let's hope that even if we get banned, that they will realize how serious of an issue this is.

Clashman

17th December 2002 22:25 UTC

[ghost_from_starcraft]I'm all over it![/ghost_from_starcraft]


Speaking of StarCraft...I haven't played it in a while. Must reinstall and play...as soon as I finish up Orbytes, get some more music, etc...

*cranks Orbital - Bigpipe Style*

bluetape2k1

17th December 2002 23:01 UTC

Total respect to you UnConeD, don't forget that youre welcome at #******* whenever, but if you do go..make sure you drop by and say hi

Rovastar

18th December 2002 01:02 UTC

I think some people have misconceptions of me and what I can and cannot do.

I am a fan of all visualizations and that includes AVS :) I have noticed the decline of visualizations for some time and I am obviously not happy about.

The MilkDrop community equally disappointed with the development of MilkDrop nothing has happened for 5 months and so, so much more needs to be done. Most of the regulars have not touched it seriously for some item as no feedback, etc about it. Devolvement for MD as AVS seems to have stopped. :(

I have posted threads in the WA plugins forum/ bitchlist etc over the past year moaning from everything from the lack of WA” plug-in support on WA3 to the plugins/ AVS section on the website and everything in between. Not too metion posting backstage with suggestions.

I even sent Ryan Geiss an email asking/bitching about what was happening with MilkDrop mainly but also asking serious questions about why people where leaving the plug-in community (it happened there first folks and NONE of them want to code for winamp anymore :( ) and at least implied what is happening to AVS.

I was and still am an outspoken member of the community but sadly it falls on deaf ears it seems.

Sometimes I may be talking to wrong people but the motivation of others does not seem to be there. For example I tried many months ago to get a AVS reviewing team setup as I noticed that for months and months the AVS presets had not been reviewed. Initially I thought I was getting somewhere but nothing happened I did try again and eventually it suddenly happened.

I was hoping that someone at Nullsoft would notice AVS again as they had to set-up stuff for the website and interest would be awakened but alas…..nothing.

Realistically it may be that AVS (and MilkDrop maybe) is dated and it is better to start from the beginning (as we have discussed before 3d accelerated, etc) and create a new product of similar style (not slagging off AVS just looking at realistic options m’kay)

Also you must understand that none of the Nullsoft staff are even in contact with the Mods or anyone else on the forums. Steve from Nullsoft sometimes pops in and is classed as the ‘admin’ but his real job is other things with Nullsoft and in his ‘free’ time tries to look in.

Just because we are mods does not mean we know more we have no idea when the next beta version of Winamp is coming out, etc let alone AVS updates that seem to be a forgot memory or as UnConeD suggested an embarrassment to them. :eek:

I have tried many times and understand the unrest here but I sadly have no power (I would love have the plugin/avs/skin database fixed but no-one seems to care). I too get frustrated by nothing been done but I can only bang my head against a brick wall so many times. :(
I may at some point write a last ditch attempt to Justin Franklin to see if anything can be done are at least let us know the score on the current situation.

Members of the public like us with there visualization expertise help make winamp what is today (and indirectly made some at Nullsoft wealthy people) and now it has been forgot about. At least the skin people had new features for WA3.

People will not get banned for doing what cmountford suggests (I will all I can to stop them anyway)

So folks I hope you realise that I am on your side but I can do nothing

Zevensoft

18th December 2002 01:10 UTC

If you've seen any of the 'Nullsoft at work' .NSVs, you'll know the reason why there aren't any updates. All they do is muck around all day and get paid heaps of money.

UnConeD

18th December 2002 08:16 UTC

Rovastar: it's actually pretty reassuring to hear from your mouth that even the moderators are confronted with the Nullsoft team living in their ivory tower. It shows exactly where the problem is.

The only option I see is detachment: leave wa.com and move elsewhere. DeviantArt is a good option with its new vis category, but it doesn't have good forums imo. I'm not a big fan of overgeneralisation DA-style anyway... it simply consists of several independent communities living next to eachother on the same site, and the only time they get into contact with eachother is when one bitches about the DD of another.
And it seems DA is suffering from SlashDot syndrome: every news article is plagued with 'first post!' comments and useless replies from people who haven't even read the article.

VisualAgnosia

18th December 2002 12:39 UTC

Quadrophenia
Mabey the people at Nullsoft, just love to party.

Mabey they made a really good program and it got really popular, they made something of them selves, and now they probalbly get paid to party. You know party in the office, those crazy larakens. Hey chicks dig AVS ! Mabey they're sick of coding thier old software and can smell that sweet smell of oportunity comming their way (in different fields bethatasitmay). And all the diehard fans of thier original product want'em to stay true. Mabey they'll say "f@*k it I've had 40 shots of tequila I'll do what the f@*k I want" get in to their new lexus and layoff some burnouts in the carpark ... and mabey they wont.

If they're not doing anything about it, its probably because there's nothing to do anything about. Surely we all disagree, but in the end people will do what ever the hell it is they want to do.

In all likleyness there's always something coming after winamp 3 either of the same name or otherwise. The question is will it have a decent editable visual:igor:isation program to go with it. I'm sure it will, people love Musical Visualisations. So how will it be? what will it look like?

Now AVS is f@*king great we all know that but eventually its going to be supersceeded by something else, So if you want to hang on long-term to something that will eventually disapear. Go and do Visualisations on a C64 and tell someone who cares. If you love to make Visualisations you need good tools and in this ViSworld the tools are always gonna change.

Mabey all this disscusion is just the death rattle of of AVS being phazed out... Mabey it's not.. Mabey people who are as good as the Nullsoft people should take advantage of a situation and develop it themselves .. is that possible? Are we all just sheep !!!:eek:

Stick it to em, push the envelope, fight for your right to .. party..
:confused:

If Code were my thing I'd code code to a coder whilst hes coding code. But It aint.

Love from
Visual:igor:Agnosia

Tuggummi

18th December 2002 13:05 UTC

I don't think they are making so much money from a FREE product, that they can party all day long... Or maybe they are, i don't know, im not a marketing expert. Maybe they get so much advertising funds that they can bath on champagne and wipe their asses on hundred dollar bills :rolleyes:

It's still hard to imagine that all they do is party away and drink all day long... though it would explain a lot of things :D

horse-fly

19th December 2002 04:37 UTC

i left for the same reasons, avs has become to restricting. Even tho i really haven't achieved your technicallity, i don't see any more ways to make presets.

Montana

19th December 2002 14:31 UTC

are you "leaving" us? well that's a shame. can't say more that it's a shame just because it's a shame.

Clashman

19th December 2002 17:58 UTC

Meh, I just muddle about with different function sequences and see what happens. I keep what I like and ditch what I don't, and keep what works in mind for other presets.

IMHO, all AVS really needs in the line of predefined constants is pi - that 3.1415325....(okay, so I can't remember much more than 3.1415 in pi, so sue me :p ) irrational nonterminating number that's the circumference of a circle divided by its diameter.

Of course, new render objects would be nice too, but...

dirkdeftly

19th December 2002 18:30 UTC

Well, no offense, but you're not at the point where there's nothing else to do.

And pi can be calculated as acos(-1) or 2*acos(0) (I think), and e is exp(1)

Illusion

20th December 2002 14:15 UTC

There's a thread which has been started in General Discussions, please post there if you think you can contribute. It's basically about the current Winamp plugin situation - and we need everyone from both the AVS and MilkDrop forums to join together and see what we can do.

By having the discussion there it should be much more useful, given that GD is by far the most popular forum, and it should make our common problems with both plugins known to the wider Winamp community....

Please help out by posting there!

Scar Da Kookee

20th December 2002 19:41 UTC

Well I broke from AVs for a while. i did have a new pack about to come out #13
how ever that pack went bye-bye whem i format C:eed it ^_^

I have been gone from it til i could understand more trig, however I'll be back. and I bet so will Unconed.

Csonicgo

30th December 2002 06:22 UTC

oh god no!
oh no. Dude, I love your presets pack. I wish you could do just one more super dooper preset before you leave.

Nic01

30th December 2002 18:21 UTC

But he did, didn't he? All 16 of them.

dirkdeftly

30th December 2002 22:19 UTC

once again: respect his wishes. he has a life too.

Jaak

10th January 2003 14:17 UTC

God no man...
Im gonna miss U: father of DM, god of Superscope...

Fickle

15th February 2003 19:20 UTC

I loved your presets man. I think part of the decline in AVS makers is the simple idea that people see the awesome things you do and figure that they'll never be able to make something that cool. It's a shame, cause AVS is awesome. I guess there are only a few of us left who actually love to watch it....
AVS needs an upgrade, but who's gonna do it?

Raz

15th February 2003 20:15 UTC

Already Covered

Phaze1987

15th February 2003 21:04 UTC

The first visualization in winamp i saw was geiss a few years ago...THe first version :) Then milkdrop and avs...I enjoyed watching them but i didnt try to create any because i figured you need math and alot of coding and c++.One day in 2002 i looked in the avs editor and started to add things.I created my first preset yuppy!After multiple tests and addings i had a marvelous idea : go to winamp.com and get more presets to study! Whacko AVS were the first packs i downloaded and i was amazed...They kept me going and going.
The point of this little story ? Whacko avs is and will be the reference point for avs presets.Im sorry to see UnConeD leave and im sorry to see more and more avs artists leaving...Anyway im sure that someday they will return because AVS IS A DRUG.

Raz

15th February 2003 23:00 UTC

oh yeah UnConeD disappeared, that lasted didnt it. look at el-vis, he left and then after about how long was it? he was releasing presets on deviantart. UnConeD's main reason for leaving was that there was not much left to do with the current state of avs, now that we've had reassurance that it will be updated from steve i think he'll be back with a vengeance with a number 7 or a whole new series. Sure do hope so

anubis2003

15th February 2003 23:07 UTC

Yes, they said that they would work on it. But do you remember when?
They won't work on AVS until after they finish fixing the bugs in Winamp 3 - and we all know that there are plenty of these.:mad: And then there's the X-box thing, too. By then, who knows? Of course, UnConeD is still active right now; he's just not as active as before.

Zevensoft

16th February 2003 08:38 UTC

LOL @ Xbox version. It's like spooning out water in a sinking ship.

Phaze1987

16th February 2003 20:52 UTC

What`s with winamp and xbox ? A link or a smth about it would be appreciated :) Oh and anubis i know some c++ and pascal...If you have time you can PM or email that explanation to me.Thanks in advance

anubis2003

16th February 2003 21:35 UTC

Search the forums next time.
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=123125

Magic.X

17th February 2003 11:04 UTC

Good Bye UnConeD

We're all gonna miss u! :cry:

Who the hell shall i ask now for technical avSupport??

Hope you're beeing back when AVS 2.6 is finally out, so seeya in 5/6 years...

anubis2003

17th February 2003 18:06 UTC

He hasn't truly left Magic.X. He still hangs around here making a preset every now and then

moltarx

21st February 2003 00:48 UTC

if everyone is so bummed about nullsoft never releasing a new version of avs, why dont we ask them to opensource it so we can do the updating ourselves? i can just see it now... avs.sf.net :)

UnConeD, you will be missed, but i am sensing that you will surface somewhere else, doing even greater things that no one can imagine at this point :) good luck to ya.

anubis2003

21st February 2003 00:56 UTC

many people have tried to get the source code to AVS, but they won't release it. The only choice is to wait for them to update it(or hex hack it, but that is extremely difficult).

moltarx

21st February 2003 01:10 UTC

i spose that we could start engineering a new preset system of our own, ide be up for the challenge :) that way, we could code in everything that we wanted, and who knows, maby nullsoft would take a serious look at it.

anubis2003

21st February 2003 01:13 UTC

Writing a decent visualisation studio like AVS is extremely hard to do. You have to be able to make a very good beat detection program and then make all of the different components to work with it. I plan to make one, but I'm going to wait at least until after a couple years at college.

moltarx

21st February 2003 03:49 UTC

i think the beat detection would be the hardest thing to do. the rest of it would be hard, ill give you that, but im sure that it is doable. ive been reading up on compiler design, and implementation of virtual machines recently, and to create a scripted visualizer really doesnt seem like it would end up being all that difficult. we would just need more people on board; theres no chance i can put in the time needed to get something like this out right now.

dirkdeftly

22nd February 2003 05:26 UTC

*cough* NEW THREAD *cough*

eLektriK

26th February 2003 19:19 UTC

:( !!!

dirkdeftly

26th February 2003 19:40 UTC

!!1

EnDurA

28th February 2003 06:58 UTC

why am i still subcribed to this???

mikm

3rd March 2003 21:37 UTC

no clue. this is the longest thread I've ever seen in the AVS forums.

anubis2003

3rd March 2003 21:46 UTC

UMM, UnDefineD's new pack thread is longer.

Warrior of the Light

4th March 2003 21:52 UTC

... Maybe the oldest one still alive?

anubis2003

4th March 2003 21:55 UTC

Go to the main page. See the thread right below this one??? That one is longer.

hungryskull

16th March 2003 01:30 UTC

Goodbye Unconed you were one of the best AVS makers ever. And we really do need an update to AVS.

Phaze1987

16th March 2003 21:35 UTC

what the hell ? its amazing how a thread`s subject changes every day :)

EnDurA

17th March 2003 06:48 UTC

shit i is still subscribed! geez this is long long thread!, not in posts, but time active

Rovastar

17th March 2003 21:03 UTC

Does anyone mind if I lock this thread?

I am all for praising steve for his good work but it has been months now. ANd if the 'fans' haven't realised by now I wonder how much of 'fans' they are. :);)

anubis2003

17th March 2003 21:57 UTC

I agree Rovastar. I say go ahead and lock it.

dirkdeftly

17th March 2003 22:18 UTC

After one last post pump.

Now lock it.

;)

all hail stevey

Rovastar

17th March 2003 22:47 UTC

Ok I'll 'Make it so' then. Clunk.